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Trivia : Are there any stations that have no public exits?

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Every now and again I think about this and thought I'd post it here.

I can think of lots of stations where the use is overwhelmingly interchange (Clapham Junction etc), but these do have public exits with some limited use.

I'm wondering if there are any with no public pedestrian or cycle exits at all. Redcar British Steel is the famous one, but is no longer served - and in any case, it would be nice to find examples that do receive use as interchange!

The best (in fact only real) example I can think of is Heathrow T2/3 since the only exit is via another mode of transport (cycling is not allowed through the tunnel).

I can think of some examples internationally like Sunny Bay Interchange Station in Hong Kong. This meets the criteria most purely as it does have an exit but only to bus interchange, and the walking routes reach dead ends, strand you on the wrong side of tracks, or lead to motorways where pedestrians are not allowed.
 
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Cornbrook on the Manchester Metrolink used to have no exit, but it was located in something of a population/work desert, which has now changed so it now has an exit/entrance.
 

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Smallbrook Junction on the Isle of Wight. Can only interchange with the IoW heritage train line, and only when that's operating.
 

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IBM in Scotland on the line to Wemyss Bay is the other obvious example
My memory is as stated at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_railway_station:
Due to its location away from major housing areas and other transport links, the station was used primarily by people employed in Valley Park, but access to the station by the general public was possible.
I only used it once, when I was still working for IBM (in 2007 I think) and visiting someone who was based at IBM Greenock, but my memory was that it was in no way restricted, it's just that very few people who weren't going to IBM would probably use it.
 

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Manulla Junction in Ireland has no public access. Only used for changing between the main line and the branch to Balina.

I know it's closed at the moment, but does Tees-Side Airport station have any access other than via the airport's internal roads?
 

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There are some termini on heritage lines where you may alight, but must return on the train. Totnes Riverside used to be an example but there is now access by footpath.

An extreme example is the Grotte de Rouffignac in SW France - the visit to the cave includes a train ride down to the cavern (and back up again) using battery locomotives. Somewhat disconcertingly, the trains do not set out with enough charge for the round trip - the wonders of regenerative braking.

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I know it's closed at the moment, but does Tees-Side Airport station have any access other than via the airport's internal roads?
As I understand it, it did until 2017 when the footbridge and eastbound platform (the one adjacent to the A67 road which runs alongside the railway) were closed.
 
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As a former ScotRail manager I can confirm that at least at one time IBM had signs at the exit to the platform claiming that it was ‘only for access to those with business at the IBM site’.
 

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Manulla Junction in Ireland has no public access. Only used for changing between the main line and the branch to Balina.
Oh wow, a pure example of exactly what I was looking for!

Smallbrook Junction on the Isle of Wight
And this one.


I guess interchange-only stations are like buses: you spend months looking for one, then two turn up at once...
 

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On the San Francisco Bay Area's BART network, the Yellow Line received an "extension" from Pittsburgh/Bay Point to Antioch. As a cost cutting measure, this "extension" was built as a standard gauge unelectified line, rather than the broad gauge third rail seen on the rest of the network.

To enable this, the conventional BART trains terminate at a "transfer platform" slightly beyond Pittsburgh/Bay Point, where passengers make a cross-platform interchange to a DMU. This transfer platform has no public exits.
 

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Does the platform at Maespoeth on the Corris have public access? I know that there is a staff car park with access for staff and volunteers to the running sheds, but I don't think they are allowed to sell tickets to/from there, so there may not be official public access.
 

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Sagliains station on the Swiss RhB network is another one. It's used to change between Landquart - Scuol Tarasp and Scuol Tarasp - Zernez - Pontresina train services. Interestingly there is a direct curve of track that allows for an hourly Landquart - Zernez - St Moritz train, meaning that the connection option at Sagliains half an hour later is only there to allow for a 2tph connection between Zernez and Landquart. Swiss efficiency in action!

I don't think many people in the UK would opt for a 1-change journey that's 10 minutes longer over a direct train 30 mins later, but transfers in Switzerland are a lot easier and more reliable so it's much more normalised. I guess if your aim is just to get to your destination as quick as possible, it's a good option.

There is a car shuttle train that also leaves from 'Sagliains station' but it's very much a different building and there's no official way of reaching the passenger train platforms from the shuttle terminal entrance.
 

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I know it's closed at the moment, but does Tees-Side Airport station have any access other than via the airport's internal roads?
Yes it was/is outside the secure part of the airport so the roads are public access.

As I understand it, it did until 2017 when the footbridge and eastbound platform (the one adjacent to the A67 road which runs alongside the railway) were closed.
There was never any access to the A67 from the eastbound platform. Access was always from the westbound platform and as noted above it's on public roads outside the secure part of the airport.

I visited the station entirely on foot in 2022 and I certainly had no business with the airport. I did a write up about here:

Having heard so much about it over so many years and considering that it could fall down at any moment I thought I might finally take advantage of the bank holiday (and the nice weather!) to actually visit the station and do the walk from the station to the terminal building for myself. So I made my way to Darlington on 2D11 the 0953 arrival into Darlington (in the hands of 156 482) and, having stocked up on water from Smiths (it was hot!), made my way north out of the station before intercepting the B6279 named "Tornado Way" in honour of the locomotive of the same name. My reason for this was this road (at this point) is actually on the route of the original Stockton & Darlington Railway. The line through present day Darlington station and on to Dinsdale actually came about later. Thankfully event the road gives way to a much more pleasant and slightly more obviously an ex-railway environment with a good surface underfoot and overhanging greenery giving relief from the traffic and tarmac!

A few miles outside of Darlington the old alignment intercepts the current railway just to the east of Dinsdale station having passed through the northern parts of Middleton St George. Whilst not clear from maps there is actually a footpath which follows the current railway on it's northside between it and the A67 until a convenient foot crossing allows you to cross the railway and access the road to the airport.

As you might imagine there's very little signage for the airport station but I did find one somewhat battered sign:

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(This sign has certainly seen better days but it does still at least point the way correctly!)

A few hundred meters further on and we reach our primary objective!

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(A shot of the subject of this thread, Teesside Airport station, in all its, er, glory?)

It was at this point that the two gentlemen who had been following me for the last five minutes or so caught up and revealed themselves to be members of Cleveland Police (the actual police not security) who enquired what I was up to and once I explained I'd come to check out the airport station they, whilst clearly slightly bemused, gamely engaged in a brief chat about the station and indeed the airport itself before wishing me well and resuming their foot patrol of the airport and its environs.

I had considered vaulting the fence to the access ramp just to quickly put a foot on the platform proper but with the police not long departed I decided discretion was the better part of valour and did not pass the metal fence blocking the entrance to the station (which ironically looks like it has only recently been refurbished as it's in extraordinarily good nick!).

So lets say our passenger has just arrived off of 2D32 the 1203 arrival from Bishop Auckland:

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(156 463 rattling through, of course in reality non-stop, on its way to Saltburn, but it looks close enough to stopped we can pretend it's actually called at the station)

They find themselves, and their suitcase, confronted with this on arrival:

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(This is taken from the bottom of the access ramp, if you squint you can just make out the retreating form of the two friendly police officers that stopped for a chat)

You will notice that there are no signs pointing the way, nor indeed is there a pavement. However there is only one obvious direction to go so our intrepid passenger heads the only way they can go:

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(The somewhat desolate station access road, no pavement so you have a choice of grass verge or road for yourself and your suitcase)

At the end of the road you find yourself facing a widening out area. Still no pavement, nor indeed signs, but thankfully there remains really only one direction to go in:

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(The road continues with no pavement nor, indeed, grass verge meaning our intrepid passenger can only really walk on the road)

A few hundred meters on (the reverse side of the sign that pointed us towards the station earlier) we find the only sign that I saw indicating which way the terminal buildings actually are but we can at least walk out of the road on the dusty gravel path which is next to the road:

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(The one sign indicating which way to go for the terminal)

A couple of hundred meters further we come to a junction, no signage, no pavement but thankfully there's only one way to go real as the other direction rapidly leads to a gate which I think must give access to the apron and control tower. The way we actually have to go however feels like you're wandering through the yard of a FedEx office rather than a recognised walking route to the airport terminal:

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(The fork in the road, to the left a gate and the air traffic control tower (not pictured) and to the right the way we need to go through a yard full of FedEx vans and lorries)

Finally a few hundred more meters on we reach journeys end, the terminal building in site!

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(The road directly outside the terminal building)

Now, there isn't actually a proper pedestrian crossing and, in reality, there is no pedestrian access. Those barriers block the road and the gate on the pavement (the first pavement we've had on this walk!) is locked with a code. But I won't hold that against the airport as presumably it would be simple for them to have the gate open for pedestrian access from the station were there any reason to do so.

In reality any passenger has to walk down the side of the car park (just to the right in the above image), then down a road marked as access for the airport hotel, swing down the side of the hotel, then through another gate which is not obviously for public use before finally being able to reach the airport terminal proper:

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(The walk through the car park, to the terminal building, having had to go somewhat out of my way to actually get there)

Now, like I said above, I won't hold this detour against the airport as why provide a route for people who don't exist (passengers using the airport station to access the airport terminal). But still, even without the detour, it's an impressively desolate and unwelcoming route. Also quite a distance.

Whilst in good weather like I had it's not an unpleasant walk in anything other than a sunny day such as night or in the rain it would be a trudge and whilst I take on board those that say "it's no further than walking around some terminals in Heathrow" it really doesn't feel the same as walking from say Manchester Airport station to the terminal buildings there where you're fully under cover, there's plenty of signage and your actually in the airport, if not the right terminal, almost immediately.

I've also done that walk and it felt nothing like as off-putting as the walk from Tesside Airport station to the terminal was.

Personally, having now done the walk for myself, I can only restate what I've said before (and what Northern and their BR forbears clearly thought), the station is a waste of time and money when it comes to serving the airport. You could call every train there and no-one would use it. Close it and be done with it. The thing is not saveable seemingly physically considering the results of the FOI nor indeed is it saveable from a service point of view.

As shown from the car park and personal experience. The people who use the airport drive and either park or get dropped off. They're unlikely to trade their car which can either drop them off directly outside or park directly outside for the kilometre long walk from the station. If they don't have a car or don't have a friend with a car (and can somehow afford a train but not a taxi on top of their holiday costs) there are direct services to Manchester Airport or Newcastle Airport is accessible with either one or two changes.

This station is pointless. Let it die.

As for me? Your intrepid correspondent headed back towards Middleton St George cutting over a few fields (using footpaths!) before gaining the main road through the village, stopped off at the village shop for another bottle of water (did I mention it was warm?) and then made their way to Dinsdale station to wait for 2D38 the 1329 back towards Saltburn (in the hands of 158 816 whose aircon wasn't not working but certainly wasn't working as well as you'd like!) and what they considered a well earned rest.
 
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What is the situation over Longcross? If I recall correctly, the site it served used to be MoD, strictly no unauthorised entry, and I recall reading/hearing of someone who alighted, rather the worse for wear, from the last train one night, and was told (by the armed guard) that the only way out was by the next train, the following day.

A lot depends on what 'public access' means - I think that, if you look carefully, there are a surprising number of stations that only exit to 'private property' (even if the public generally have access), across which there is no public right of way. All three of the Heathrow stations, and probably other airport stations, I believe fall into this category
 

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Riccarton Junction, as an entire location, had no public road access for most of its existence. So the only folk using the platform for purposes other than changing trains would have been railway staff who lived or worked there, or their families or people providing services to them, such as a doctor - certainly not members of the general public. IIIRC the clergyman walked up the line to conduct Sunday services.
 

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Signage on the station still indicates that you have to have military business to alight there.
Yes and until very recently if you'd visited most of the Moorgate branch stations you'd think Network SouthEast was still in operation :lol:

I'm not 100% convinced such signs can be relied upon. Especially as to get to the camp you have to cross the footpath/cyclepath...
 

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Holehouse Junction was pretty remote, so it seems unlikely it was ever used much as a destination, even though there was a public road close by.
 

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British Steel Redcar?
Lympstone Commando?
Once upon a time but now you can access a nearby footpath/cyclepath.

I wonder if I am the only person here to have used the station on official business. In my former life I had to visit said military base to consult with someone based there. It took some convincing to get Darlington Station travel centre to sell me a day return!
 

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Yeah that's a good shout! Forgot about it as it's been mothballed for so long. But that one had no publicly accessible exit at all. When I visited it I did it in the morning when it was possible to have about twenty minutes there between trains and I did notice that security passed by a few times whilst I was there. I believe others had in fact been spoken to by security who made sure that they turned around and reboarded the first train back out or drove them to the site exit (if no such train was available).
I wonder if I am the only person here to have used the station on official business. In my former life I had to visit said military base to consult with someone based there. It took some convincing to get Darlington Station travel centre to sell me a day return!
I imagine you struggled because there is no such fare! :lol: At that distance they'll only be period returns ;)
 

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