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zakky1.0

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I guess they could just send the errant Versas to TM Travel instead. Either way, their Scanias are on borrowed time
Well these plans wouldn’t use all of the 16 displaced Volvos (5 villager, 6 Ilkeston flyer & 5 H1) so I can see some still heading to TM

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oh & 73 has arrived at Derby, spotted it today near the main road & I must admit, it’s very smart.
 
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No licence changes yet? :lol: Should be good to see anyway, any improvements are always welcomed and shows the services are doing well! :)
This is very true, swift has done extremely well since Covid.

A little speculation here, the changes to Ilkeston flyer (I.e every 10 mins between Derby & Ilkeston) are happening on the 14th July, so that would hint to the new vehicles entering service then?

But I’ve not seen a mention of the cotmanhay side, is it every 20/30 or even hourly? Same goes for the twos, with both boasting an every 10 frequency between Derby/Nottingham & Ilkeston.
 

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But I’ve not seen a mention of the cotmanhay side, is it every 20/30 or even hourly? Same goes for the twos, with both boasting an every 10 frequency between Derby/Nottingham & Ilkeston.
I could see it being every hour since there's both routes which if done correctly would make it have an every 30 minute frequency from Ilkeston. It'll probably be like how H1 serves predominantly Heanor but then every hour serves Alfreton
 

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Doesn't the Littles 14 also serve Cotmanhay, adding to the frequency?
No, it goes from Ilkeston to Tesco then up Heanor Road to the hospital

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I could see it being every hour since there's both routes which if done correctly would make it have an every 30 minute frequency from Ilkeston. It'll probably be like how H1 serves predominantly Heanor but then every hour serves Alfreton
I don't think every 30 mins from Ilkeston to Cotmanhay would be enough. A lot of people in Cotmanhay rely on public transport. I think every 10 mins with alternating buses going to Nottingham/Derby would suffice.

Either way with any route mentioned tonight it's best to wait and find out *if* anything happens as it's become quite speculative!
 

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They could always keep a few Volvos on Ilkeston Flyer alongside the new buses. That or use spare/mango ones
 

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Considering Trent Barton struggle to operate all of their registered services at present, is this really a good use of bsip/tax payers money? Most of the proposed service changes will be funded by this, hence why they can't be announced until after the election.
 

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Yes, but IF passenger numbers are up to pre Pandemic levels, I bet the profit isn't. One guy on TV said that when the £2 fare ends , he will go back to driving.

Are the public really that daft? Why do so many only believe in single fares and just ignore day or weekly tickets? which is far better value? If I was trentbarton I would have highlighting the weekly a lot during this period.
 
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Are the public really that draft? Why do so many only believe in single fares and just ignore day or weekly tickets? which is far better value? If I was trentbarton I would have highlighting the weekly alot during this period.
Depends how much people are travelling.
 

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Are the public really that draft? Why do so many only believe in single fares and just ignore day or weekly tickets? which is far better value? If I was trentbarton I would have highlighting the weekly alot during this period.
When the zigzag goes to £8 it is worth four singles.

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Well, I won’t reveal the plans…

Swift is the major one to look out for, the changes may well double the PVR…
There was talk at one time of an Ashbourne, Mickleover Royal Hospital,Derby service that would serve the new estate being built beyond Radbourne Lane, using BSIP money. In terms of the new estates, where construction starts late 2024, a bus service was even a condition of planning permission.. That said, it was also said the houses should be built after the A38 improvement works that seem no nearer.
 

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Trentbarton (especially, compared to other local bus operators) can't plan for the future until they know what will happen after the £2 cap ends. Obviously it will be a shock at first, but I can't imagine it causing passenger numbers to decrease too much, especially with b_line discounts etc... It's probably best if they take the plunge and actually operate normal fares, increasing income per passenger, where they can then plan for the future.
 

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Trentbarton (especially, compared to other local bus operators) can't plan for the future until they know what will happen after the £2 cap ends. Obviously it will be a shock at first, but I can't imagine it causing passenger numbers to decrease too much, especially with b_line discounts etc... It's probably best if they take the plunge and actually operate normal fares, increasing income per passenger, where they can then plan for the future.
Certainly in charge of their own destiny if they did.

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Did someone say Notts and Derby Scania Irizar coach 73 was by the main road. Here is my through the fence picture taken today as I walked home. Taken on my phone...Villager Enviro 200MMC fleet no 304 was just leaving the garage as I walked past. Image on the side looked like it could be an owl and Tutbury Castle.
 

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Certainly in charge of their own destiny if they did.

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Did someone say Notts and Derby Scania Irizar coach 73 was by the main road. Here is my through the fence picture taken today as I walked home. Taken on my phone...Villager Enviro 200MMC fleet no 304 was just leaving the garage as I walked past. Image on the side looked like it could be an owl and Tutbury Castle.
It certainly is owl and Tutbury Castle. Here it is at Hilton Village Hall earlier.
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No links as the source of this info is internal (via Facebook messenger)

Swift is to go to every 30 minutes between Derby and Ashbourne with a PVR increase to 5 (from 3)

Ilkeston Flyer is to go to every 10 minutes from Derby to Ilkeston, every 20 to Cotmamhay, this will be a PVR increase of 8 (from 6) and I believe these will be ADLs as part of the order

The two will go every 10 minutes from Nottingham to Ilkeston, every 20 to Cotmanhay, this *should* see a PVR of 10 (currently 11 are branded but not all are utilised every day)

Keyworth will revert to every 15 minutes with a PVR increase from 4 to 5

Rainbow One will have an extra morning journey but no PVR change

These timetable changes are subject to BSIP funding but 14th July is the general date for *some* of those changes
 
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so Trent Barton have confirmed that they’ll be extended the £2 fare cap until December, excluding red arrow & now nightbus.

£2 fare extension

We can now confirm our participation in the extension of the £2 single fare cap until the end of December 2024.

We'll also be making some changes to our other fares from Sunday 30 June https://orlo.uk/e0fsi
 
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Took them long enough! What constitutes as a "Night bus"?
I’d assume routes such as skylink(s) & indigo will no longer have the cap after midnight?

*Edit* looked on the Facebook post & they’ve confirmed that between midnight & 4am, that will be normal fares on indigo & skylink(s) & the night buses that run on a Friday & Saturday night.
 

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I’d assume routes such as skylink(s) & indigo will no longer have the cap after midnight?

*Edit* looked on the Facebook post & they’ve confirmed that between midnight & 4am, that will be normal fares on indigo & skylink(s) & the night buses that run on a Friday & Saturday night.
Night fares seem to be £4.70 for any journey except on the Red Arrow which is £7.60!
 

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Swift is to go to every 30 minutes between Derby and Ashbourne with a PVR increase to 5 (from 3)

Ilkeston Flyer is to go to every 10 minutes from Derby to Ilkeston, every 20 to Cotmamhay, this will be a PVR increase of 8 (from 6) and I believe these will be ADLs as part of the order

The two will go every 10 minutes from Nottingham to Ilkeston, every 20 to Cotmanhay, this *should* see a PVR of 10 (currently 11 are branded but not all are utilised every day)

Keyworth will revert to every 15 minutes with a PVR increase from 4 to 5

Rainbow One will have an extra morning journey but no PVR change

These timetable changes are subject to BSIP funding but 14th July is the general date for *some* of those changes
The swift is to be from the 28th of July
The IF, the Two and the Rainbow 1s as stated go into effect from the 14th of July

the other changes and tweaks to timetbales to the Keyworth(back to every 15 mins meaning PVR goes up by 1) , mainline, Calverton and connect services are planned but no dates have been put forward for this yet
 

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The swift is to be from the 28th of July
The IF, the Two and the Rainbow 1s as stated go into effect from the 14th of July

the other changes and tweaks to timetbales to the Keyworth(back to every 15 mins meaning PVR goes up by 1) , mainline, Calverton and connect services are planned but no dates have been put forward for this yet
I was wondering if connect would be changed soon as its being operated by red Versa's now
 

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Swift is currently outstationed in Ashbourne somewhere, so will the additional PVR (peak vehicle requirement) be based there or Derby?
Also, would extending to Leek be viable?
 
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