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Most probably, did hear from another source Lloyds Coaches ordered 4 MetroCity's ordered even though on the Optare website, 2 have been ordered specially for the T2 but I'm unknown about the other 2. ;)
 
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Sounds like some changes, to whatever extent, may be forthcoming for the T4 (Newtown - Cardiff) if these two entries from the VOSA Bus Service registrations for today, 28-Oct-15 are anything to go by.

PG0006630/285 - RED & WHITE SERVICES LTD T/A STAGECOACH IN SOUTH WALES, 1 ST. DAVIDS ROAD, CWMBRAN, NP44 1PD
Variation Accepted: Operating between Newtown and Llandrindod Wells given service number T4 effective from 03-Jan-2016. To amend Start & Finish Point and Timetable.

PG0006630/290 - RED & WHITE SERVICES LTD T/A STAGECOACH IN SOUTH WALES, 1 ST. DAVIDS ROAD, CWMBRAN, NP44 1PD
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Llandrindod Wells
Finish Point: Builth Wells
Via:
Service Number: T4
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 03-JAN-2016
Other Details: Monday to Saturday and Sunday service (New Service)

I thought the T4 has always been two sections (Newtown - Brecon & Brecon - Cardiff) but there is no entry in the registrations for journeys to Cardiff. Probably nothing too serious though: will keep my eyes open for anything further on the T4.

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The Second Blog Post on the BwsCymru Bus Blog is online now focusing on the new contract for the TrawsCymru T2 service between Aberystwyth and Bangor

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[URL="https://bwscymru.wordpress.com/?p=38&preview=true&preview_id=38"]https://bwscymru.wordpress.com/?p=38&preview=true&preview_id=38[/URL] For All the latest


Noted on the allocations today for the T2 the 07:30 Machynlleth - Bangor service was operated by Optare Solo YJ14BCV

The 07:35 Aberystwyth - Bangor service was operated as normal by YJ14BCZ

And making its return to Bangor was Enviro 200 LC60WYN on the 10:00 Aberystwyth - Bangor Service
 

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The Second Blog Post on the BwsCymru Bus Blog is online now focusing on the new contract for the TrawsCymru T2 service between Aberystwyth and Bangor

Visit
[URL="https://bwscymru.wordpress.com/?p=38&preview=true&preview_id=38"]https://bwscymru.wordpress.com/?p=38&preview=true&preview_id=38[/URL] For All the latest
I don't think you've got the buses entirely correct for the T5 there. You said: "4 new Optare Metorcity, 3 former TrawsCambria Optare Tempo a Wright Pulsar and a Temsa Avenue". For starters, I'd be very supprised if Richards Bros have aquired a Temsa Avenue again since they very quickly got rid of one of the two they had (which were from Arriva, but not as far as I know from Arriva Wales) and the second not long after. The buses I have seen in full T5 livery are:
  • YJ06YRZ (Optare Tempo, regular on services south of Cardigan)
  • YJ09CWR (Wright Pulsar, regular on services south of Cardigan)
  • YJ60GDV (Wright Pulsar, regular on services south of Cardigan)
  • 4x Optare MetroCity
  • YJ14CCV (MCV Evolution)
  • YJ62JZR (Wright Pulsar)
  • Optare Tempos YJ55BKE, YJ55BKF and YJ06YRO
That's 4 Tempos not 3, 3 Pulsars not 1 and a MCV Evolution rather than a Temsa Avenue.
 

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I don't think you've got the buses entirely correct for the T5 there. You said: "4 new Optare Metorcity, 3 former TrawsCambria Optare Tempo a Wright Pulsar and a Temsa Avenue". For starters, I'd be very supprised if Richards Bros have aquired a Temsa Avenue again since they very quickly got rid of one of the two they had (which were from Arriva, but not as far as I know from Arriva Wales) and the second not long after. The buses I have seen in full T5 livery are:
  • YJ06YRZ (Optare Tempo, regular on services south of Cardigan)
  • YJ09CWR (Wright Pulsar, regular on services south of Cardigan)
  • YJ60GDV (Wright Pulsar, regular on services south of Cardigan)
  • 4x Optare MetroCity
  • YJ14CCV (MCV Evolution)
  • YJ62JZR (Wright Pulsar)
  • Optare Tempos YJ55BKE, YJ55BKF and YJ06YRO
That's 4 Tempos not 3, 3 Pulsars not 1 and a MCV Evolution rather than a Temsa Avenue.

Your correct, must of had my notes muddled up
 

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Does anyone know when Lloyd's will take delivery of their two Metro City's and whether or not the 3rd vehicle, presumably one of the two Solo SR's will receive Traws Cymru livery?
 

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I've heard a rumour that First are considering withdrawing from the T1 contract due to having got their sums wrong (again) and losing money on it... can anyone shed any light?
 

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I've heard a rumour that First are considering withdrawing from the T1 contract due to having got their sums wrong (again) and losing money on it... can anyone shed any light?

That's new to me, I haven't heated anything. Problem is if First was to hand back the contract, my concerns would be who would take over the service
 

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That's new to me, I haven't heated anything. Problem is if First was to hand back the contract, my concerns would be who would take over the service

I wouldn't know... I suppose in the short term it would be offered to the 2nd placed bidder until the route could be retendered... what I do know is that at the time of the contract award no-one could work out how First were going to make money on it as their bid was so far below any body else's
 

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I wouldn't know... I suppose in the short term it would be offered to the 2nd placed bidder until the route could be retendered... what I do know is that at the time of the contract award no-one could work out how First were going to make money on it as their bid was so far below any body else's

I'd believe that it would have to go to an emergency tender
 

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I've heard a rumour that First are considering withdrawing from the T1 contract due to having got their sums wrong (again) and losing money on it... can anyone shed any light?
That supprises me since I have seen posters on First buses advertising driver's jobs based at various places, including Carmarthen, which led me to think they might be considering reopening Carmarthen depot to save the positioning trips from Ammanford.

I wouldn't know... I suppose in the short term it would be offered to the 2nd placed bidder until the route could be retendered... what I do know is that at the time of the contract award no-one could work out how First were going to make money on it as their bid was so far below any body else's
Arriva ran it with no subsidy at all for a while didn't they, so it can't run at that much of a loss and a low-subsidy bid might have seemed deliverable at the time?

I would imagine Richards Bros, Cardigan might bid for it.

Dave
That would be rather alot of positioning mileage I would have thought, (I think Cardigan would be their nearest depot) unless they introduce similar co-operation arangments with somebody like Mid Wales Travel.
 

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That supprises me since I have seen posters on First buses advertising driver's jobs based at various places, including Carmarthen, which led me to think they might be considering reopening Carmarthen depot to save the positioning trips from Ammanford.

Arriva ran it with no subsidy at all for a while didn't they, so it can't run at that much of a loss and a low-subsidy bid might have seemed deliverable at the time?

That would be rather alot of positioning mileage I would have thought, (I think Cardigan would be their nearest depot) unless they introduce similar co-operation arangments with somebody like Mid Wales Travel.

Would it be feasible for First & MWT to operate a joint service, although the down side would be "a Lloyds/Express Dolgellau" situation with passengers swapping vehicles half way.
 

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Would it be feasible for First & MWT to operate a joint service, although the down side would be "a Lloyds/Express Dolgellau" situation with passengers swapping vehicles half way.
First & MWT to operate a joint service of-sorts anyway, since First use MWT's depot and some of their drivers I think. A "Lloyds/Express Dolgellau situation" isn't a necessary outcome of joint-working, First/Arriva used to work the X40 jointly and both operator's buses ran all the way. I think the "Lloyds/Express Dolgellau situation" is more likely to happen when one operator has registered part of the route commertially, or when the vehicle 'diagrams' (does that term apply to buses or only trains?) don't work out with the vehicles ending up at the correct end of the route each night.
 

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First & MWT to operate a joint service of-sorts anyway, since First use MWT's depot and some of their drivers I think. A "Lloyds/Express Dolgellau situation" isn't a necessary outcome of joint-working, First/Arriva used to work the X40 jointly and both operator's buses ran all the way. I think the "Lloyds/Express Dolgellau situation" is more likely to happen when one operator has registered part of the route commertially, or when the vehicle 'diagrams' (does that term apply to buses or only trains?) don't work out with the vehicles ending up at the correct end of the route each night.

Yes you are correct I'd forgotten about First keeping a couple of vehicles at Penrhyncoch and utilising MWT drivers. Going off on another tangent has the Traws Cymru network reached it's zenith yet or are there any more planned services to start up, I remember some time ago talk of a T8?
 

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There are still plans I believe to expand TrawsCymru. According to the review published by Dr Winckler in August 2013, three proposed services are to join the network sometime in the future..

"If it is accepted that TrawsCymru is a network of medium- to long-distance, strategically important bus services then it is likely that new corridors will need to be added. The 2013 TrawsCymru draft business plan proposed that three new routes for 2015/16 – 2017/18, as follows:

  • Service T6 (X50/X52): Wrexham, Ruthin, Denbigh and Rhyl;
  • Service T7 (280/281-80-X43/43): Carmarthen, Llandovery, Brecon and Abergavenny; and
  • Service T8 (X71/71): Newtown, Welshpool, Oswestry and Wrexham.

It also identified the potential for a Cardiff – Cardiff (Wales) Airport service, which is now
operational as T9, and a Deeside service."
 

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There are still plans I believe to expand TrawsCymru. According to the review published by Dr Winckler in August 2013, three proposed services are to join the network sometime in the future..

"If it is accepted that TrawsCymru is a network of medium- to long-distance, strategically important bus services then it is likely that new corridors will need to be added. The 2013 TrawsCymru draft business plan proposed that three new routes for 2015/16 – 2017/18, as follows:

  • Service T6 (X50/X52): Wrexham, Ruthin, Denbigh and Rhyl;
  • Service T7 (280/281-80-X43/43): Carmarthen, Llandovery, Brecon and Abergavenny; and
  • Service T8 (X71/71): Newtown, Welshpool, Oswestry and Wrexham.

It also identified the potential for a Cardiff – Cardiff (Wales) Airport service, which is now
operational as T9, and a Deeside service."

Missing link on T7 now....
 

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There are still plans I believe to expand TrawsCymru. According to the review published by Dr Winckler in August 2013, three proposed services are to join the network sometime in the future..

"If it is accepted that TrawsCymru is a network of medium- to long-distance, strategically important bus services then it is likely that new corridors will need to be added. The 2013 TrawsCymru draft business plan proposed that three new routes for 2015/16 – 2017/18, as follows:

  • Service T6 (X50/X52): Wrexham, Ruthin, Denbigh and Rhyl;
  • Service T7 (280/281-80-X43/43): Carmarthen, Llandovery, Brecon and Abergavenny; and
  • Service T8 (X71/71): Newtown, Welshpool, Oswestry and Wrexham.

It also identified the potential for a Cardiff – Cardiff (Wales) Airport service, which is now
operational as T9, and a Deeside service."

Aha, would you envisage the T8 being extended to Machynlleth to close up the circuit and allow transfers to the T2?
 

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Think the Brecon to Llandovery has been pulled? My MIL mentioned it had been withdrawn and couldn't see it on Traveline or has she got it wrong?

hmmm... seems you're right... just checked myself and from brecon- llandovery I'm being directed T4-701-280!!

seems that that withdrawal is at very short notice.. was in Llandovery the other week and the times were still posted up with no notices to say the service was ending.

Though it does seem that Powys is severely cutting back... they've certainly pulled all bus information from their website except an abdication to Traveline!
 

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The 2 new MetroCity's for Lloyds Coaches have now been built and are in TrawsCymru livery. These examples are shorter than the Richards Bros MetroCity's.
 
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