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So I thought I'd put a trip report on here as I always enjoy reading them. I don't collect the numbers of trains I've ridden on I'm afraid. That part of it doesn't really interest me...although it never puts me off reading other trip reports. Sometimes, there's a lot to think about when going on a train journey, it must be difficult to make sure you record the number as well! So anyway, I apologise if you are interested in the numbers. What I do like is simply travelling by train. Always have done. The whole process fascinates me. I find it a very relaxing and exciting thing to do. So here goes...

I've been wanting to re-visit York for a while, I haven't been since 2003. So a couple of weeks ago I looked into it. The Crosscountry advances weren't that great and to be honest, I wanted to go through London. Just love negotiating my way around the big terminus stations there...gives a real sense of adventure seeing all those destinations on the board and trains lined up under a giant train shed....knowing that one of them will be whisking me away to a faraway destination (I'm a bit strange like that!). London Midland happened to have their flash sale on..great! £8 return to London from Birmingham sorted. Then it was a simple case of a couple of cheap East Coast advances. Except it wasn't. Because the cheapest coming back was with Grand Central. Seeing I had never been with them before I thought it was worth it. So with all the tickets bought and collected, yesterday (27th), off I went to Sandwell and Dudley to get the 07:39 London Midland to Euston, due in 10:18. I was then booked on the 11:08 to York from Kings Cross.

It all started well, plenty of spaces left in Sandwell and Dudley's car park at that time of morning so no problems parking up. The commuter train to Four Oaks never showed up before my train came in. Mine was around 6 minutes late. It had two lots of morning commuters to take into Birmingham because of the no show before it. But it wasn't horrific and managed to get a seat. I was expecting a lot of people to get off at New Street but surprisingly a lot of people stayed on. The train slowly filled up along the way and by Northampton people were standing. The guard then declassified First Class and made an announcement that we would be making additional stops at Apsley and Kings Langley. I could just sense that something was up...and I was right.

It started to unravell there. The guard announced that there was a broken down freight train at Apsley and we would have to divert onto the fast lines. The train became more and more full. The jouney became slower and slower. By the additional first stop at Apsley the train was rammed and it was becoming impossible for the people at the station to get on. You can only imagine what Kings Langley was like. In the back of mind, I had the 11:08 to York to think about. We were around 20 minutes behind at Watford Junction. Not too bad considering and I could still easily make Kings Cross so I started to relax again a little. Then the guard came back on...He started with "I'm afraid there's more bad news..."

He said that there were big problems in the Wmbley area and that we would be going very slow indeed. We crawled out of Watford all the way to Wembley Central. By now I'm panicking again. We were over half an hour down and it was looking unlikely that I would make my East Coast train to York. I phoned East Coast who said that because I didn't a through ticket I would have to buy a new ticket. I knew they were right but I hope not too many people in my carriage heard the word I said when I hung up. I was polite to the lady on the phone though...she hadn't caused the problem at Wembley! I called my wife and told her it was likely I would be home earlier than I though. Other people on my stopped train had been listening in and started egging me on to claim my money back or demand that I was put onto another train to York. I changed the subject and started asking what plans they had in London that day. We continued to creep forward...stop...creep...stop again. Almost an hour down now. Was all very frustrating. Considering we were nearly an hour down, it was quite a jovial atmosphere on the train and that helped me relax again. Then the guard came back on and said the problem had been fixed but warned the people standing that we were going to build up quite a speed and then brake very sharply indeed so they would need to hold on tight. He said we had to test something. So that was a bit of fun and the passengers took it in good humour!

We arrived at Euston 65 minutes late, my York train had long gone. I walked to Kings Cross...got in the queue for tickets and waited. When I was called up I politely told the lady that I was in a bit of a pickle. I was expecting her to tell me I would have to pay for a new ticket when she said, "Not to worry, I'll just put you on the next train". She filled out one of the revised reservation slips and stapled it to my ticket. I guess I got lucky, but I thanked her, told her she was a star and she was brilliant (which made her smile...she hadn't seemed overly happy until that point) and went on my way. She didn't have to do that considering I didn't have a through ticket and I was extremely grateful.

Turns out that she had put me on the 12:00 Highland Cheiftan with the first stop being York! The train was quite empty and managed to get a table seat. The guard saw my slip of paper and praised me for doing the right thing. I told him about my horrible journe so far and that I thought his train was far nicer than the last one I had just been on and he thanked me.

An extra bonus was that I got to York only 20 minutes later than I was scheduled to. Considering I was 65 minutes down at one point...that's a pretty good result!

The journey back was uneventful. 17:02 Grand Central to Kings Cross (not a bad train...not as uncomfortable as London Midland but not quite as nice as East Coast)...then the 19:46 London Midland to Birmingham New Street. Then straight onto a Virgin train to Sandwell and Dudley where my little T Reg Volkswagen Polo was waiting in the Black Country drizzle and mist for me.

A great day out that was almost a write off. But thanks to the lovely staff at Kings Cross...it was a brilliant day in the end. I've emailed East Coast thanking them for their discretion. Other down point is that London Midland take far too long to get to London and back but for £8 return...can't really complain!
 
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Nice report. Could you tell me if the Grand Central train was an HST or unit?
 

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2 non-stop York to Kings Cross trips, very nice.

If it was a GC HST than I would agree, the East-Coast HSTs I find have better seating.

Good report, glad it all turned out well for you at Kings Cross
 

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The GC train was a unit not a HST.

Thanks...yeah, lucked out a bit with the non-stop runs!
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Actually got my next trip booked for this weekend. Going back to my hometown of Lowestoft to visit family. Going First Class as a treat...and it wasn't that much more to be honest on advance tickets. Going out Saturday and coming back Monday evening. Hoping to get at least a beer on the Virgin train on Monday evening. Will claim the coffee and peanuts or whatever anyway on the Saturday!

Here are my timings if anyone's interested:

Saturday 30th August

Wolverhampton 08:16 - 08:34 Birmingham New Street (Crosscountry)
Birmingham New Street 08:50 - 10:15 London Euston (Virgin Trains)
London Liverpool Street 11:00 - 12:50 Norwich (Greater Anglia)
Norwich 12:58 - 13:35 Lowestoft (Greater Anglia)

Monday 1st September
Lowestoft 17:02 - 18:36 Ipswich (Greater Anglia)
Ipswich 18:43 - 19:55 London Liverpool Street (Greater Anglia)
London Euston 20:43 - 22:30 Wolverhampton (Virgin Trains)

The connection at New Street on the Saturday seems a little tight, and the one at Ipswich on Monday seems really tight. But I have a through ticket from Wolverhampton to Lowestoft so if there any problems, I shouldn't have the same level of stress as the York trip hopefully!

This trip will bring back memories for me. I grew up in Lowestoft during the 80s and 90s eventually leaving town for good in 1998. I always remember the excitement of walking to Oulton Broad South to go to London. I always remember getting off our little blue DMU at Ipswich and being amazed by the intercity train coming in. I don't remember much about the journeys home except being blurried eyed and woken up by mum and seeing the Oulton Broad South sign out of the train window. She probably had to carry me at the connection at Ipswich!

When I left in 1998, the Sprinters had already taken over the Wherry and East Suffolk lines. My Mum tells me the intercity to London aren't much different to how they were in the 80s though! Will be interesting to see what it's like there now. Pleased to see the fast train from Norwcih to Oulton Broad North still exists. Always made a beeline for that one when I visited Norwich during the mid to late 90s!

Happy memories...look forward to arriving in Lowestoft by train once more! My Mum still lives in the house I grew up in within sight of the Norwich railway line in Oulton Broad. Always used to love hearing the trains rattle into town from the marshes!
 
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The connection at New Street on the Saturday seems a little tight, and the one at Ipswich on Monday seems really tight.

The connection at New Street is ok, 15 mins. I have made a 4 min connection there :lol:
 

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4 minutes? Not bad. Although even more impressive from some platforms! Depends how far you had to go between them! Whats that little stubby one at the end that you have to fight through tons of people to get to?

My mother-in-law is particularly talented at changing trains at New Street, but then she accidently wandered into the service tunnel!

"It's lovely and quiet dear, don't know why nobody else uses it!"

This was a few years back now. Never did find out if she was meant to use that tunnel or not!
 
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Sounds like a great journey in the end.

Sandwell and Dudley to get the 07:39 London Midland to Euston, due in 10:18. I was then booked on the 11:08 to York from Kings Cross.
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I phoned East Coast who said that because I didn't a through ticket I would have to buy a new ticket. I knew they were right...

Nonsense - you'd left the minimum connection time for Euston to King's Cross (35 minutes iirc) so should just be able to get the next East Coast train to York.

I was expecting her to tell me I would have to pay for a new ticket when she said, "Not to worry, I'll just put you on the next train"...The guard saw my slip of paper and praised me for doing the right thing.

Exactly what should have happened except there wasn't really any need to queue up at King's X, you should just have had to approached the guard and explained and he should have just let you on.
 

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I thought that if the ticket wasn't a through ticket (i.e. and off peak return to London and advances to York in my case, the rail company has no obligation to put you on a new train if a delay on the first leg of the journey makes you miss the train on the second leg. I had bought the Birmingham to London legs and the London to York legs separately. One on London Midland's website and one on East Coast's.

My trip to Lowestoft tomorrow is a straight forward Wolverhampton to Lowestoft ticket with reservation coupons for each leg. So more straight forward.

So it doesn't matter if it's a through ticket or not then? They still must put you on the next train? If that's true then I've learnt something new! I really thought East Coast customer services were right when they told me there was nothing they could do.
 
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I thought that if the ticket wasn't a through ticket (i.e. and off peak return to London and advances to York in my case, the rail company has no obligation to put you on a new train if a delay on the first leg of the journey makes you miss the train on the second leg. I had bought the Birmingham to London legs and the London to York legs separately. One on London Midland's website and one on East Coast's.

My trip to Lowestoft tomorrow is a straight forward Wolverhampton to Lowestoft ticket with reservation coupons for each leg. So more straight forward.

So it doesn't matter if it's a through ticket or not then? They still must put you on the next train? If that's true then I've learnt something new! I really thought East Coast customer services were right when they told me there was nothing they could do.

That's my understanding. There are some who would argue that as you didn't have a ticket for the Euston to King's X leg then you might not be covered but presumably both tickets were to/from London Terminals so you should be. To make sure, you might want to consider getting one of the tickets with an origin/destination of ZONE U1* LONDN which would cover one journey on the underground between Euston and King's Cross or any other station in Zone 1 (although the average person could walk between the Euston and King's X quicker than taking the Underground).


Have a read of the Forum Fares & Ticketing guide, particularly section 1.1.3.1.2 Delays while travelling
 

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This trip isn't going so well. Currently stuck at Liverpool Street. Someone has been hit by a train in Romford. Can't complain when there's someone clearly suffering more than all of us stuck at the station.
 

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Nonsense - you'd left the minimum connection time for Euston to King's Cross (35 minutes iirc) so should just be able to get the next East Coast train to York.

I've heard a conductor telling somebody because of a train running late and him using diferent tickets including one or more Advances, that he would not be covered. Reading here suggests otherwise.
 

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Made it to Lowestoft in the end, over an hour later than I should have. Changed at Ipswich instead of Norwich as they were holding a Lowestoft train there. My itinerary had me going via Norwich but seeing my reservations weren't really relevant anymore (my booked train to Norwich had been cancelled) I thought it would be ok. Also, the Norwich train was rammed by Ipswich, even in first class so it was good to bail out. Nice surprise that the East Suffolk line trains have a tiny first class compartment these days, and the seats were more comfortable than the intercity! Disappointed that neither train had plug sockets, even in first class!

Hope for a better journey back on Monday evening.
 
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Not a good journey there on LM, which is a shame but at least you made it in the end :)

Fingers crossed your return journey to the Black Country goes better, and I'm glad you enjoyed your trip yesterday. The East Suffolk line still has 156s as well as the 170s (the latter of which you would have had).
 

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Well the journey back yesterday wasn't without it's problems, but they actually worked to my advantage.

I decided to get the 16:07 from Lowestoft instead of the 17:02 to give myself more connection time at Ipswich. This turned out to be a good decision.

Had a good journey down to Ipswich. However, at Ipswich, despite most London bound trains being on time, there were delays of over an hour at Witham due to signal problems. My 18:43 was showing as on time but I wondered how much it would be slowed down by south of Colchester so I went to get advice. The staff at the station advised me to forget my reservation and get on the next London train as delays could be an hour and there was a chance I wouldn't get my booked train from Euston if I waited for the 18:43. However, having read stories on this forum I knew to check with the guard and this is what I did when the 18:13 rolled into Ipswich. Guard told me it was fine and I walked my way through from the guard's van to the first class seats. The train wasn't all that busy despite the prospect of being delayed but I stopped to get my complimentary coffee on the way to my seat. The guard came on and warned us about the possible delays. However, as we approached Colchester, he came on and said that the problem should be fixed and providing that the trains ahead of us were moving OK, we should only be delayed by a few minutes. When he came to check tickets I thanked him for letting me on his train anyway. With all the problems I've encountered this week, I have to say that every member of staff I have come across who have helped me deal with the problems has been no less than excellent. The people who run the railway are a real asset to it.

So I arrived in London with plenty of time to spare which meant that I could have a good amount of time relaxing in the first class lounge at Euston. Don't think I would have time if I had been on my booked train. In fact, I think it may have even arrived into Liverpool Street a little late so I may have had no time in the lounge at all!

The 20:43 from Wolverhampton last night was superb. The guard was a very cheerful and chatty fellow, the first class hosts were brilliant and I was treated to a lovely sandwich and some really good ale. One of the best train rides I had ever had. I know pendolinos get slated so much but I really enjoyed that last night. Those weekday late night departures from Euston can be such great value for money as they usually have cheap first class advances on them.

Arrived home on time at 22:30. So despite the problems, luck was with me.

This week, I have been booked on 6 different trains, I made 3 of them due to the various problems around the network. I made neither of my Greater Anglia bookings but their staff were great at keeping people moving so can't complain!
 
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By now I'm panicking again. We were over half an hour down and it was looking unlikely that I would make my East Coast train to York. I phoned East Coast who said that because I didn't a through ticket I would have to buy a new ticket. I knew they were right but I hope not too many people in my carriage heard the word I said when I hung up. I was polite to the lady on the phone though...she hadn't caused the problem at Wembley! I called my wife and told her it was likely I would be home earlier than I though. Other people on my stopped train had been listening in and started egging me on to claim my money back or demand that I was put onto another train to York. I changed the subject and started asking what plans they had in London that day. We continued to creep forward...stop...creep...stop again. Almost an hour down now. Was all very frustrating. Considering we were nearly an hour down, it was quite a jovial atmosphere on the train and that helped me relax again. Then the guard came back on and said the problem had been fixed but warned the people standing that we were going to build up quite a speed and then brake very sharply indeed so they would need to hold on tight. He said we had to test something. So that was a bit of fun and the passengers took it in good humour!

We arrived at Euston 65 minutes late, my York train had long gone. I walked to Kings Cross...got in the queue for tickets and waited. When I was called up I politely told the lady that I was in a bit of a pickle. I was expecting her to tell me I would have to pay for a new ticket when she said, "Not to worry, I'll just put you on the next train". She filled out one of the revised reservation slips and stapled it to my ticket. I guess I got lucky, but I thanked her, told her she was a star and she was brilliant (which made her smile...she hadn't seemed overly happy until that point) and went on my way. She didn't have to do that considering I didn't have a through ticket and I was extremely grateful.

East Coast on the phone were wrong in this instance, you can use more than one ticket to complete a journey, and shouldn't have needed to queue at the ticket office at Kings Cross - just explain at the gate or to the guard on the next York train.

Hope you claimed Delay Repay from London Midland.
 

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East Coast on the phone were wrong in this instance, you can use more than one ticket to complete a journey, and shouldn't have needed to queue at the ticket office at Kings Cross - just explain at the gate or to the guard on the next York train.

Hope you claimed Delay Repay from London Midland.

The OP was only delayed by 20 minutes. Unless you mean for the London leg. If you consider that the end of the journey and claim delay repay then East Coast would have been within their rights to charge for a new ticket for the 'missed' second journey. Though how they'd know you'd claimed for the 'first' journey is another question.
 

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Well the return to London Euston was only £8 anyway, which only would have entitled me to £4. And like you said, East Coast sorted it so I was only 20 minutes down in the end, so doesn't seem worth the hassle.

I have sent my Wolverhampton to Lowestoft tickets off though as the cancellations at Liverpool Street on that trip did mean my arrival into Lowestoft was over an hour later than planned. How they'll work out compensation for just the Liverpool Street to Lowestoft leg remains to be seen. I doubt they will repay the whole Wolverhampton to Lowestoft ticket. (This one was a through ticket)
 

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Well the return to London Euston was only £8 anyway, which only would have entitled me to £4. And like you said, East Coast sorted it so I was only 20 minutes down in the end, so doesn't seem worth the hassle.

I have sent my Wolverhampton to Lowestoft tickets off though as the cancellations at Liverpool Street on that trip did mean my arrival into Lowestoft was over an hour later than planned. How they'll work out compensation for just the Liverpool Street to Lowestoft leg remains to be seen. I doubt they will repay the whole Wolverhampton to Lowestoft ticket. (This one was a through ticket)

GA should base the compenstaion on the entire ticket from Wolvehampton to Lowestoft.
 
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Sent my email to East Coast thanking them for sorting me out that day and had a reply, however, this paragraph interested me the most because of the advice that was given on this forum.

"I am sorry to hear that you were delayed due to another train operator and therefore enquired what to do with us at Customer Relations. Policy states that if a ticket does not have a through ticket, then a new ticket must be purchased for later travel. By purchasing through tickets, it can allow customers to be more flexible for their journey, but they do have restrictions and may be exempt from some compensation schemes. I can confirm therefore that the information provided was correct, however station staff can allow some discretion and clearly understood your problem. It is great to hear that she got you onto a direct service for no additional cost."

So did I have no right to be put on the next train at no extra cost after all then?
 
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Sent my email to East Coast thanking them for sorting me out that day and had a reply, however, this paragraph interested me the most because of the advice that was given on this forum.

"I am sorry to hear that you were delayed due to another train operator and therefore enquired what to do with us at Customer Relations. Policy states that if a ticket does not have a through ticket, then a new ticket must be purchased for later travel. By purchasing through tickets, it can allow customers to be more flexible for their journey, but they do have restrictions and may be exempt from some compensation schemes. I can confirm therefore that the information provided was correct, however station staff can allow some discretion and clearly understood your problem. It is great to hear that she got you onto a direct service for no additional cost."

So did I have no right to be put on the next train at no extra cost after all then?

They are talking out of their arris as usual. Did you have a read of the fares and ticketing guide? As I said earlier, you could make doubly sure if splitting in London by purchasing one ticket to ZONE U1* LONDN to cover the 'gap' between stations. (But there is no such requirement if splitting at eg BRADFORD YORKS STNS and walking between the Interchange and Forster Square or MANCHESTER STATIONS and getting from Piccadilly to Victoria so there shouldn't be in London either!)
 

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Yes I did have a read of the fares and ticketing guide, which is why I found their response odd. In the end, it all worked out for me anyway, it's just worrying that I could have ended up out of pocket when I really shouldn't have.

On a separate note, had a letter from Greater Anglia asking me to send them my Wolverhampton to Lowestoft tickets. Except I already had! Attached them to the form as instructed. So gave them a ring. They apologised and will send me the vouchers next week.

The railways don't seem to be having a good time recently...not the ones I've travelled on anyway. I really feel for the staff because I've found that they really have worked hard to make sure that people get to where they're going yet they have to put up with people moaning and complaining. I've made an attempt to greet every member of staff with a smile and have thanked them when they've sorted me out.

No trips planned for a while now. Although I may use my vouchers to get cheap advances to Lowestoft and see the family again (will have to be in standard this time, but will have to be a weekend anyway). Or I may use them so me and my wife can have an afternoon in London. Don't know yet.
 
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Well I was hoping to revive this thread today after what should have been a great day out to Bath. Always wanted to visit but quite expensive from the West Midlands.

However, I found that it's not too expensive from Worcester and I can get to Worcester easily from Stourbridge Junction.

So drove down to Stourbridge Junction at around 9am only find that there is absolutely nowhere to park. Even the Rufford Road overflow car park is full. Nothing on the streets around either. So very frustratingly have had to abandon and come home as by the time I had driven around looking for somewhere I had missed my train. Wonder what I would have done if I had pre-booked tickets? Glad I didn't.

I always remember being at least able to park in the Rufford Road car park there, even when it's busy so not sure why it's suddenly so full?

Annoyed because I was looking forward to a day out.
 

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Managed to park at Rowley Regis and made it to Bath today.

First was the London Midland train to Worcester. Always love the way they pick up speed once south of Stourbridge.

I got a return to Bath from Worcester. I had planned to go around Hereford and Newport as routing suggested I could...but the ticket office attendent at Worcester Shrub Hill told me there was no way that I would be allowed. First, he said I would be heading in the wrong direction and secondly, the price from Hereford to Bath is a lot more expensive so it makes sense that a cheaper ticket from Worcester wouldn't be allowed. The HST to Hereford rolled in and I asked the guard. He said that he wouldn't have an issue with me going that way but the guard on the Arriva Train to Newport might not be best pleased. So I decided not to risk it and took the Brighton bound train direct to Bath instead. A little disappointing but I wanted a nice day out and didn't fancy any potential aggro!

Good ride down to Bath anyway. Loads of reserved seats but seeing most of them were for after Bath it wasn't an issue finding a seat.

Had a lovely, but quick afternoon in Bath then I decided that instead of a direct train back I would take my time and do it in stages. Took a Great Western HST to Bristol which was nice and empty. Then realised that the next Crosscountry to Cheltenham was a HST. I hadn't ridden on the inside of a Crosscountry HST yet so though this would be a good option. However, it turned out that it had been delayed by about 50 minutes in Exeter and we were advised to get onto another service. Not me. Straight to Starbucks for a large coffee instead! Arrived back at Temple Meads to take the delayed HST back to Cheltenham. Was quite impressed with what Crosscountry have done to them. Was a good ride up to Cheltenham too.

At Cheltenham I then found out I had a nearly 2 hour wait for the next Worcester train. Ouch! So I decided to walk into town. Which was quite some distance but discovered a very pretty route down the disused Honeybourne Line. Very pleasant walk indeed and was quite impressed with Cheltenham town centre.

It was then back to the station to get the Worcester train, which was quite busy. It was an old Sprinter train (excuse me for not knowing numbers) which was identical to the ones I used to use on the Snow Hill lines a few years ago. Was a bit of fun rattling through the countryside at dusk at quite some speed on that train anyway!

Wasn't then too long a wait for the next train back to Rowley Regis from Worcester Foregate Street. A good day out in all. A shame I missed the Hereford/Newport route but I'll just go that way another time. Fancy a trip towards South Wales one day anyway. The other downside was that it's a bit of a pain that the frequency of services between Worcester and Cheltenham is so spread out but I suppose that justifies the much lower prices.
 
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You can't even do Colwall-Hereford-Newport-Bristol on a Colwall-Bristol Airport single, so you'd definitely run into issues if you'd gone via Hereford on your trip from Worcester to Bath!

Don't know how much Worcester to Bath is but Hereford to Cardiff off-peak day return was £21.50 last autumn, think it was about £32 day return to Bath. No doubt more expensive than you'll have paid, just because it's on ATW's 'premier' line coming down the Marches!

Glad to hear you managed to make the trip after all, must have been more than frustrating when you couldn't park the other day!

Aye XC did do a brilliant job on their refurbishments in 2008, even several years later it's still looking decent. Just need to get the electronic seat reservations working properly now!

FGW do have some 150/1s that came from LM, and it's quite possible you'll have had one of them.

Sounds like you had a good trip all in :)
 

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That's why I wanted to ask a real person at Worcester. I just didn't trust what the online journey planners were telling me! Made the right decision in the end for a hassle free day. And it just gives me an excuse to plan another trip out sometime!

It was really annoying not being able to park on Thursday. Looking out of the train, there were plenty of spaces left at Stourbridge Junction yesterday. Must have been to do with the fact that Thursday was the last £15 day of Great Escape this half term. It's quicker for me to drive to Rowley Regis anyway. I only went to Stourbridge on Thursday because I thought, from experience, that there's always spaces left there and Rowley fills up pretty quick. Of course yesterday, I found Rowley's car park much improved and much bigger than I had remembered it! In fact, there seems to be more space there than Stourbridge now so Rowley Regis might be my park and ride of choice from now on!
 
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Good call that, not much further up the road from Stourbridge so shouldn't be too much more in fares either.

Great Escape is on until the end of the month IIRC,I'm on one on Monday
 

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Good call that, not much further up the road from Stourbridge so shouldn't be too much more in fares either.

Great Escape is on until the end of the month IIRC,I'm on one on Monday

It is, but it was £20 yesterday instead of £15 on Thrusday which is why I think it was busier on Thursday.
 
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