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Travel chaos at Euston (27/10)

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All trains suspended because of a person hit by a train between Milton Keynes Central and Watford Junction.
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Frustrated commuters are facing travel chaos after a person was struck by a train.

All trains from London Euston were suspended while emergency services dealt with the incident at Bletchley on Friday.

The major disruption is expected to continue for the rest of the evening.



It comes after a burst water main outside the same busy transport hub affected travel this morning.

Shocking pictures show how the burst pipe flooded platforms and forced a major road to be closed outside the station.

Angry customers took to social media to vent their outrage amid the mayhem during the evening rush hour.

Among them was comedian Russell Kane, who wrote on Twitter: “Euston Station is completely broken. I have sought refuge @stpancrasren.”...

Major disruption between Milton Keynes Central and London expected until the end of the day
Trains are able to run to and from London Euston, however due to trains and train crew being out of position trains may be delayed by up to 60 minutes, cancelled or revised.

Disruption is expected to continue until the end of the day.

Advice for London Midland customers:

Customers may use the following routes to help with journeys:

  • Chiltern Railways between Birmingham Moor Street and London Marylebone
  • East Midlands Trains between Wellingborough and London St Pancras International
  • Virgin Trains on all reasonable routes
  • Thameslink between Bedford and London St Pancras International
  • London Underground via any reasonable route
  • Road transport between Milton Keynes Central and Luton
  • Road Transport between Bedford and Bletchley
  • Road transport between Northampton and Wellingborough
  • Road transport between Stafford and Crewe
 
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Things are running and have been for a few hours now but there's still delays and lots of cancellations.

I write this as I sit at Leighton Buzzard station, looking at the next two London trains cancelled
 

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Oh dear, that's the second occasion on the southern part of the WCML this week, there was a fatality near Harrow on Wednesday evening. :(
 

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First train south for over an hour from Milton Keynes and it's a 4 car which is absolutely wedged
 

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@Lrd The previous two were both curtailed at Northampton and buses organised - I was on the first, which went back northwards, and then to the bus when the second one was cancelled for no driver (the bus arrived at MKC after 2Y20 did, but the one member of staff at NMP had no information about any southbound services that might make it). At least two separate people on the track, plus a bridge bash near Rugby this morning as well.
 

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I don't understand why they can't just remove the body and be done with it, people need to travel, I doubt they need to investigate suicides.
 

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I don't understand why they can't just remove the body and be done with it, people need to travel, I doubt they need to investigate suicides.

If it's so easy why don't you join NR and show them how to "just remove the body and be done with it".
 

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If it's so easy why don't you join NR and show them how to "just remove the body and be done with it".
I meant the police. Or they could perhaps close that track so trains can pass on the adjacent track. This would only work on mainlines of course.
 

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I see. Not trying to be rude to the people who have died, just pointing out that a lot of the time it takes ages to get it sorted.
 

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I meant the police. Or they could perhaps close that track so trains can pass on the adjacent track. This would only work on mainlines of course.
Police will need to investigate the scenes, and are already under huge pressure from all directions to get it done asap. How would you be certain on arriving at the scene without investigating that it is a suicide?

Body cannot be moved until the police are satisfied. Trains cannot run alongside while the body and/or body parts are there. It will cause immense distress to many people.
 

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Sadly, from experience, there often isn't a "body" left as it tends to almost "explode" on impact. Rather there are many body parts which can be scattered over a wide area as well as the train involved. The clean up is detailed, specialist and done with dignity. It takes time. Imagine you knew the person. Would you like trains to just keep running over the remains?
 

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Exactly why nothing is done these days to help people with mental issues because they'd rather brush it under the carpet and just "get on with it". Maybe just cover it up quickly so it doesn't upset the general population's feelings. Mental Illness affects people far more than we care to acknowledge. I find it upsetting how people are always quick to be bothered about their train being on time than considering the poor person who couldn't find a way out because the system failed them.
 
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You are more than welcome to discuss mental health issues on the forum in the most appropriate place.
 

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Network Rail have partnered with The Samaritans for some time now (see the posters at the end of the platforms etc) and it is claimed it is having an effect.

As well as the immediate effect on services (e.g. all stopped for a time), it takes an age for the service to recover. This is especially true on the WCML with its intense and complicated service.

Yesterday must have been awful in LNW South control - burst water main at Euston putting the low numbered platforms out of use for a while, bridge bash at Rugby and then the fatality at Bletchley
 

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Police will need to investigate the scenes, and are already under huge pressure from all directions to get it done asap. How would you be certain on arriving at the scene without investigating that it is a suicide?

Body cannot be moved until the police are satisfied. Trains cannot run alongside while the body and/or body parts are there. It will cause immense distress to many people.
If it's anything like us then have to wait for the coroner to arrive and do his bit. Then after the all clear is given the train maintenance crews have to give the train a once over to make sure the body hasn't damaged anything.
 

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Exactly why nothing is done these days to help people with mental issues because they'd rather brush it under the carpet and just "get on with it". Maybe just cover it up quickly so it doesn't upset the general population's feelings. Mental Illness affects people far more than we care to acknowledge. I find it upsetting how people are always quick to be bothered about their train being on time than considering the poor person who couldn't find a way out because the system failed them.

I don't think anything is being brushed under the carpet and there is more being done now than ever before about mental health problems but there is no simple solution.

The fact that people want to make a journey with as little disruption as possible doesn't make them uncaring.
 

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I meant the police. Or they could perhaps close that track so trains can pass on the adjacent track. This would only work on mainlines of course.

Crashingly obvious - front line staff involved in all this do their very best. Often in awful conditions.

I have had an incident where 6 lines of way were affected by a similar incident. Every one is different , sometimes with more than one train involved.
 

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And don't forget if anything is visible I for one & many of my driving colleagues are not going to agree to go passed the incident site. Job stopped until all handed back or screened.
 

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I don't understand why they can't just remove the body and be done with it, people need to travel, I doubt they need to investigate suicides.

That's a pretty callous attitude to take.

If it was a close member of your family who had died on the railway would you want the circumstances to be fully investigated (the emergency services don't know it's a suicide, accident or something more sinister when they arrive), or would you want the authorities to just "remove the body and be done with it"?

Most passengers are very understanding of disruption in these circumstances, in my experience, but of course there's always one.
 
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You are more than welcome to discuss mental health issues on the forum in the most appropriate place.
You are more than welcome to discuss mental health issues on the forum in the most appropriate place.
Well we were on a thread entitled "Are suicides more common on the railways these days" but a moderator shut it down.
 

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I was at Euston yesterday evening & booked on the 20:07 Lime St service, which left at around 20:40. By that point, services were returning to normal, albeit with residual delays & some cancellations. From my viewpoint, I think the railway did a good job in difficult circumstances, although I acknowledge my experience was at the tail end of a chaotic day.

Aside from the trauma of the event itself for all concerned, one of the biggest hurdles the railway has when recovering from such incidents is the lack of any back up resource. Trains, train-crew and other staff are all worked to pretty exacting schedules these days, with little or no slack in the overall picture, should something happen.

My impression yesterday, is that train crew availability was one issue that VT were struggling with, as aside from any staff taken off duty because of the incident itself, staff already on the road are racking up time whilst stuck on trains not going anywhere. They also get displaced quite easily, all of which contribute to the knock on delays from any incident such as this. As alluded to up-thread, the TOC's are in the lap of the emergency services, who at times such as these, have a darned difficult job to do in trying circumstances. I certainly wouldn't like to have to do some of the jobs the police & ambulance service people would have been tasked with yesterday (or Wednesday).

Unfortunately, there are no easy answers. The best way forward would, of course, to get the number of PHBT down to as near zero as possible, for humanitarian reasons above all else. Aside from that, what could the railway realistically do? Employing lots of extra staff to be on standby "just in case" is expensive, as is having spare trains sat at strategic points.
 

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It seems to be a common perception that when there is a railway fatality the police priority is to "preserve the crime scene" but for a road fatality the priority is to get the traffic moving. To what extent this is true and to what extent is the difference simply down to the different characteristics of road to railway I don't know.
 

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Sensibilities and attitudes have changed over the years, and consideration is given to the staff involved, the witnesses, and the bereaved. This is I suggest a good thing in humane terms.
After the Wealdstone triple pile up in 1952 photographs show trains picking their way past the wreckage on the slow lines and from the upside bay platform whilst emergency services were still removing bodies from the scene. That would not be allowed now, and there would be an outcry if it were.
 

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I think one of the problems is, it is just "everything stopped" People (mostly) will understand a fatality at Harrow-or wherever- stops trains there, but you can't get Manchester to Milton Keynes, even though all that stretch is open. Then they can't recover the service very quickly, as the crews are all at Manchester. Doesn't help the railway image of dealing with it. I know there are various reasons for it being the way it is, but it does seem to the general public, that the railway stops everything, rather than trying to carry on. Yes stop trains running past the site, but just cancelling everything else regardless, does seem overkill. Maybe not every train could run, but no Virgin trains from Liverpool or Manchester at all?
 

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I don't understand why they can't just remove the body and be done with it, people need to travel, I doubt they need to investigate suicides.

With the greatest of respect and without wanting to go into too much grim detail but still give you a brief insight, a lot of the time there isn't really a "body" to remove as such. The line cannot be opened until every body part has been retrieved and accounted for and this often involves people walking large stretches of track which obviously can take a very long time.

The first priority for BTP is to declare the incident non-suspicious, which is often done through the drivers statement, witness statements and CCTV footage. Again until that's happened nothing will move. Once the body has been removed the area usually has to be cleaned by a specialist company which again takes time. Then you have to try and get relief train crew to the train involved etc. A lot goes on behind the scenes.
 

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I don't understand why they can't just remove the body and be done with it, people need to travel, I doubt they need to investigate suicides.
Well that's easier said than do as body parts are scarred over a fair distance, then you sometimes need a relief driver to come to the train.. they can't open the line next to it due to safety reasons..
 
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