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Transpennine Route Upgrade and Electrification updates

sjm77

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Sectional Appendix shows commencement of Electrification north of Church Fenton North Jn at 10m 27ch, although does not give an explicit Limit of Electrification
There is no 'Pan Up' symbol on the Sectional Appendix, so Newcastle bound trains cannot switch to electric on the move. Incidentally, I have seen Eastbound 802s Pan-Up on the end of the CLC route whilst being held at the signals protecting Castlefield Jcn. Therefore if stationary North of Church Fenton North Jcn I presume they could do the same here too (although that is much less likely to happen compared to Castlefield of course)!
 
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There is no 'Pan Up' symbol on the Sectional Appendix, so Newcastle bound trains cannot switch to electric on the move. Incidentally, I have seen Eastbound 802s Pan-Up on the end of the CLC route whilst being held at the signals protecting Castlefield Jcn. Therefore if stationary North of Church Fenton North Jcn I presume they could do the same here too (although that is much less likely to happen compared to Castlefield of course)!
The APCO balises are at the River Wharfe bridge by Ulleskelf station and have been for months.

Both North and Southbound trains will changeover here, with the exception of York terminating trains NB (in case they need to go to P4) or NB trains to Scarborough, although there are now no LTP booked 802s to Scarbs. Obviously any train running in diesel from York SB will remain in diesel.

The Castlefield/CLC APCO is where you describe and, again, it’s an APCO not a manual changeover.
 

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he APCO balises are at the River Wharfe bridge by Ulleskelf station and have been for months.

Both North and Southbound trains will changeover here, with the exception of York terminating trains NB (in case they need to go to P4) or NB trains to Scarborough, although there are now no LTP booked 802s to Scarbs. Obviously any train running in diesel from York SB will remain in diesel.

The Castlefield/CLC APCO is where you describe and, again, it’s an APCO not a manual changeover.

Thanks for the explanation! So is the 'Pan-up' symbol on the Sectional Appendix only used where a manual change is needed?
 

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90% of coppers refitted to Church Fenton when I went through last night. Lots of cable ducting work ongoing near station with people at all the chambers.

Didn't look to me much else going on for last few days.

OLE now terminates from North on the fast lines in the platforms.
 

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Thanks for the explanation! So is the 'Pan-up' symbol on the Sectional Appendix only used where a manual change is needed?
Given the short time period when the changeover was located there, it's possible that this change was handled through processes for temporary situations and it was decided to not update the sectional appendix with information that would then be immediately superseded. Whereas the AC limit is far more critical for safety information, and would not be being removed but rather extended.
 

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Latest Robert Stenhouse pictures show piling for a new feeder station in the middle of the moonscape between the Leeds and Wakefield lines at Ravensthorpe. A reminder to us that theres more than masts and wires to get the juice on.
Also shows constuction of the bridleway underpass under the new fast lines at Heaton lodge.
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Latest Robert Stenhouse pictures show piling for a new feeder station in the middle of the moonscape between the Leeds and Wakefield lines at Ravensthorpe. A reminder to us that theres more than masts and wires to get the juice on.
Also shows constuction of the bridleway underpass under the new fast lines at Heaton lodge.
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Visible from the train or will I need to go on foot or by car?
 

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Visible from the train or will I need to go on foot or by car?
It's between the Leeds and Wakefield lines near the pylon, which presumably will be the power source, so should be visible from both lines.
For future access this area I'm guessing the new bridge they built over the river may become permanent.
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According to the December 2025 Enhancements Delivery Plan: https://www.networkrail.co.uk/wp-co...-Enhancements-Delivery-Plan-December-2025.pdf

E1 Church Fenton to York - Current Entry into Service (EIS) Target: April 2026
W3 Huddersfield to Ravensthorpe - Current EIS Target: February 2030
W4 Ravensthorpe to Leeds - Current EIS Target: February 2030
E234 Leeds to Church Fenton: Current EIS Target: April 2030
You would have thought pushing onto Micklefield Jcn could be easily achieved in a couple of years and that section could be used by AC powered trains further reducing diesel working.
 

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You would have thought pushing onto Micklefield Jcn could be easily achieved in a couple of years and that section could be used by AC powered trains further reducing diesel working
Indeed, Most of the work is done after this current blockage of the Leeds lines through Church Fenton with long stretches of knitting in place. I would of hoped at least 3 miles of juice could be activated next Christmas at the latest.
 

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Indeed, Most of the work is done after this current blockage of the Leeds lines through Church Fenton with long stretches of knitting in place. I would of hoped at least 3 miles of juice could be activated next Christmas at the latest.
Are any new feeder station required for the Neville Hill - Colton junc section?
On the subject of Neville Hill are there any plans of the proposed trackwork speed enhancements available?
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Are any new feeder station required for the Neville Hill - Colton junc section?
The ECML PSU put in a new SFC feeder station at Hambleton Junction which feeds to York, but it will also feed from Colton Junction substation to a new midpoint at Micklefield. Micklefield to Leeds I assume will be off of the existing Kirkstall FS but I don't know for sure. There's an interesting video about Hambleton Junction FS from PWI.
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The ECML PSU put in a new SFC feeder station at Hambleton Junction which feeds to York, but it will also feed from Colton Junction substation to a new midpoint at Micklefield. Micklefield to Leeds I assume will be off of the existing Kirkstall FS but I don't know for sure. There's an interesting video about Hambleton Junction FS from PWI.
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Thanks, most interesting. Looks like all the supply points from the grid are in place for the Nevill Hill - Colton section so once the wires are up just the testing and paper shuffling.
Altough I can guess some of the acronyms a translation woukd be helpful.
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Thanks, most interesting. Looks like all the supply points from the grid are in place for the Nevill Hill - Colton section so once the wires are up just the testing and paper shuffling.
Altough I can guess some of the acronyms a translation woukd be helpful.
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Oh my apologies,
FS (feeder station) is where one or two 25kV circuits are received from a grid supplier and then distributed to the overhead line circuits, the incoming supplies will typically be out of phase with one another and so have to be kept separate. The mid-point track sectioning cabin (MPTSC) is just where adjacent grid supplies meet. There are other TSCs not shown on that illustration but will be for strategic isolations or just to parallel circuits together for less volt-drop over distance. TSL is track sectioning location and just means that the switchgear is outside. A static frequency converter (SFC) is a new (to UK) type of feeder station where the grid supplies normal 3phase AC and the actual SFC itself can create a single phase out of that with power electronics.

The only new grid connection and FS being installed specifically as part of TRUP is at Ravensthorpe. There's a chance that it will actually feed all the way to Micklefield instead of the Kirkstall which would explain why Armley TSL has always had neutral sections; Leeds North West was meant to coincide with a now long gone incarnation of Manchester-York electrification so maybe they always planned to feed from Ravensthorpe.
 

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The ECML PSU put in a new SFC feeder station at Hambleton Junction which feeds to York, but it will also feed from Colton Junction substation to a new midpoint at Micklefield. Micklefield to Leeds I assume will be off of the existing Kirkstall FS but I don't know for sure. There's an interesting video about Hambleton Junction FS from PWI.
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If the FS is at Hambleton would it not make sense to electrify Micklefield to Hambleton South and provide another electrified route from Leeds to Doncaster?
 

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If the FS is at Hambleton would it not make sense to electrify Micklefield to Hambleton South and provide another electrified route from Leeds to Doncaster?
Selby was in the original scope I believe for this reason. Back at the first announcement of TP electrification.


On a separate note, not seen much activity at church Fenton this week seemed a lot quieter. Very little progress on the OLE round the new tracks, was expecting to see more progress this week with a full weeks block. That was just based on the rapid progress of first few weeks.
 
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If the FS is at Hambleton would it not make sense to electrify Micklefield to Hambleton South and provide another electrified route from Leeds to Doncaster?
If you ask me it absolutely makes sense to electrify that and all the way to Hull too. But the Hambleton site was chosen specifically to serve that electrification should it happen as well as being a good location for ECML's needs as it was a project belonging to ECML PSU phase 2.
I believe it has the electrical capacity to go all the way to Hull as well.
 

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Selby was in the original scope I believe for this reason. Back at the first announcement of TP electrification.


On a separate note, not seen much activity at church Fenton this week seemed a lot quieter. Very little progress on the OLE round the new tracks, was expecting to see more progress this week with a full weeks block. That was just based on the rapid progress of first few weeks.
They did resignal over Xmas didn't they? If so, the OLE teams have likely headed further south towards Micklefield as there was at least one tension length on the Up Leeds (between Mile Hill/Laith Staid Lane & Barkston Ash if I recall) that couldn't be wired at the same time as the other parts as the signal sighting would have been all out of whack.
 

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They did resignal over Xmas didn't they? If so, the OLE teams have likely headed further south towards Micklefield as there was at least one tension length on the Up Leeds (between Mile Hill/Laith Staid Lane & Barkston Ash if I recall) that couldn't be wired at the same time as the other parts as the signal sighting would have been all out of whack.
I used Micklefield station a few days ago. Looking east towards the junction it was somewhat strange to see the Church Fenton line with the knitting up right to the junction, but nothing at all in the Selby direction or towards Leeds.
Between Micklefield and Neville Hill there are a few sections with masts up, but what was most encouraging was the number of mast bases installed-cant be many more than a handful to do.
 

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Wasn't this passive provision added over a century ago by the original builders?
Yes, but the railway are past masters at putting things in the way of using that passive provision in the future.
Look at Abbots Ripton bank between Peterborough and Huntingdon on the ECML, the UP Slow was removed and the OHLE supports on the UP side were placed where the UP Slow track was, therefore making it very difficult and very expensive for the UP Slow to be restored.
So well done for TRU not taking the cheaper option of ignoring what was allowed for years ago.
 

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Yes, but the railway are past masters at putting things in the way of using that passive provision in the future.
Look at Abbots Ripton bank between Peterborough and Huntingdon on the ECML, the UP Slow was removed and the OHLE supports on the UP side were placed where the UP Slow track was, therefore making it very difficult and very expensive for the UP Slow to be restored.
So well done for TRU not taking the cheaper option of ignoring what was allowed for years ago.
Cable routes, signal structures, equipment cabinets and relay room buildings have often been placed on track alignments made redundant in simplification schemes. Flat, clear, well compacted and drained, using the ready-prepared ground often avoided earthworks to the side of the line during resignalling. Access for maintenance was great too, with the old track forming a safe walking route and continuous refuge. I'm pleased TRU are explicitly maintaining the safeguarding. I hope some outline design for the four tracking has been agreed on, so S&T and OHLE designers don't make mistakes in interpretation at this stage that add future difficulty.
 

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Yes, but the railway are past masters at putting things in the way of using that passive provision in the future.
Look at Abbots Ripton bank between Peterborough and Huntingdon on the ECML, the UP Slow was removed and the OHLE supports on the UP side were placed where the UP Slow track was, therefore making it very difficult and very expensive for the UP Slow to be restored.
So well done for TRU not taking the cheaper option of ignoring what was allowed for years ago.
Tell that to those who want to restore 4 tracks from Dore into Sheffield and think the old 1904 track configuration could easily be restored! The Beeching report didn't directly axe that, but 2 tracks had been slewed and bridges removed by the 1980s and who knows what has been erected on what's left.

Surveying was beginning for electrification about 18 months ago, just as the latest MML pause was confirmed. It seems even adding back a 3rd track would be hard enough. If only we could just get on with these things.
 

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That is my understanding - followed fairly quickly by E2 and E3 combined i.e. Leeds - Micklefield
I think Leeds to just beyond Neville Hill will take a while to see much progress until the big blockade (can't remember the year) but I'd expect Cross Gates to York to be done by year end.

Leeds to Dewsbury would be next on list as that is not awaiting the big civils works of Huddersfield to Dewsbury.
 

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