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Hi everyone

Just came across this forum as I was searching more information regarding a travel irregularity report that was issued to me today. I was travelling from Chesterfield to Lancashire via Manchester Piccadilly on transpenine express (never heard of or stepped on this train before).

I had my valid ticket (well I thought) bought in advance. A male ticket/revenue inspector or officer came checking tickets which I showed confidently from my trainline app. I have a 26-30 railcard which automatically applies to all tickets that I search and buy and he obviously asked to see this and I showed it to him. This is the worst part, as I showed him, the railcard loaded and it showed my railcard had expired and I’m talking of September 2024 expiry . I was not expecting this and I pointed out to him that I think it expired (in my eyes I was thinking I saw September 2025 as I couldn’t believe how I had an expired railcard for almost a year without knowing and I know how it looks trying to explain this.

So he immediately asked for my ID or any proof of ID I have on me and I had my drivers license which I gave to him. I didn’t ask why as I thought this was for checking that the railcard indeed belongs to me and I was still in shock regarding the nearly a year expiry date. He asked to see my ticket and was taking pictures of it asking me to hold my phone still and informed me he’s recording.

I really felt like a criminal and tried to explain that it’s not deliberate as Trainline automatically applies the railcard to all tickets and doesn’t show or alert that it has expired but he wasn’t having any of that and said it’s my responsibility to take it off the app. In my mind I’m thinking yes I would have if I had known it’s expired but I didn’t see anything and I explained this and he repeated the same thing. He tried to see if I can renew but I can’t renew either as I just turned 31 in the summer this year. So I ended up having to buy yet another ticket from Manchester Piccadilly to Lancashire since my original ticket is classified as invalid due to the expired railcard. The inspector also issued a travel irregularity report with my name and address and said I should expect a letter delivered to the address on my ID.

I rarely use overground trains and tend to use coaches if needed. I checked my app and can see I have bought quite a few tickets with the unknowingly expired railcard and this doesn’t help either. I’m talking maybe 3-4 every 3 to 4 months for local trains in London and maybe 1 or 2 every 4months from London to midlands and vice versa as well as from London to down south of England and vice versa.

When I receive the letter, what can I expect in terms of punishment? I read some posts and saw that others have had similar experiences but with a railcard that has just expired or expired for a few weeks or months etc, nothing like mine. This is my first ticketing offence and just quite stressed and annoyed that I have found myself in this position.
 
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Hi everyone

Just came across this forum as I was searching more information regarding a travel irregularity report that was issued to me today. I was travelling from Chesterfield to Lancashire via Manchester Piccadilly on transpenine express (never heard of or stepped on this train before).

I had my valid ticket (well I thought) bought in advance. A male ticket/revenue inspector or officer came checking tickets which I showed confidently from my trainline app. I have a 26-30 railcard which automatically applies to all tickets that I search and buy and he obviously asked to see this and I showed it to him. This is the worst part, as I showed him, the railcard loaded and it showed my railcard had expired and I’m talking of September 2024 expiry . I was not expecting this and I pointed out to him that I think it expired (in my eyes I was thinking I saw September 2025 as I couldn’t believe how I had an expired railcard for almost a year without knowing and I know how it looks trying to explain this.

So he immediately asked for my ID or any proof of ID I have on me and I had my drivers license which I gave to him. I didn’t ask why as I thought this was for checking that the railcard indeed belongs to me and I was still in shock regarding the nearly a year expiry date. He asked to see my ticket and was taking pictures of it asking me to hold my phone still and informed me he’s recording.

I really felt like a criminal and tried to explain that it’s not deliberate as Trainline automatically applies the railcard to all tickets and doesn’t show or alert that it has expired but he wasn’t having any of that and said it’s my responsibility to take it off the app. In my mind I’m thinking yes I would have if I had known it’s expired but I didn’t see anything and I explained this and he repeated the same thing. He tried to see if I can renew but I can’t renew either as I just turned 31 in the summer this year. So I ended up having to buy yet another ticket from Manchester Piccadilly to Lancashire since my original ticket is classified as invalid due to the expired railcard. The inspector also issued a travel irregularity report with my name and address and said I should expect a letter delivered to the address on my ID.

I rarely use overground trains and tend to use coaches if needed. I checked my app and can see I have bought quite a few tickets with the unknowingly expired railcard and this doesn’t help either. I’m talking maybe 3-4 every 3 to 4 months for local trains in London and maybe 1 or 2 every 4months from London to midlands and vice versa as well as from London to down south of England and vice versa.

When I receive the letter, what can I expect in terms of punishment? I read some posts and saw that others have had similar experiences but with a railcard that has just expired or expired for a few weeks or months etc, nothing like mine. This is my first ticketing offence and just quite stressed and annoyed that I have found myself in this position.
Welcome. People will explain the process for you and what to expect and how to best avoid being prosecuted for what the railway regards as as a ticketing offence however un intentional.

For now keep all paperwork you were given and copies of all tickets for the journey as well as your records of previous tickets and railcards.

Their letter could take some weeks to come but it’s vital you receive it and respond with advice from here. I assume your drivers license had the correct postal address for you and you can receive hard copy post there in coming weeks and months.
 

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Welcome. People will explain the process for you and what to expect and how to best avoid being prosecuted for what the railway regards as as a ticketing offence however un intentional.

For now keep all paperwork you were given and copies of all tickets for the journey as well as your records of previous tickets and railcards.
Ok thank you for your response
 

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Ok thank you for your response
The key problem is also that they will want to charge you for replacement tickets for all train journeys they can find evidence of from the date the railcard expired.

You need to prepare for that financially I’m afraid.
 

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Playing devil's advocate, I don't suppose the fact that you turned 31 might have made you think "I wonder if my 26-30 Railcard is still valid, as it's quite a time since I renewed it."

Still, you are where you are, and as said immediately above, any settlement offer is likely to take account of any journeys you incorrectly claimed a discount for. That is usually calculated using the Anytime Single fare for each journey, with no offset for the amount you paid. For local journeys this shouldn't amount to too much, but for any longer distance journeys, such as London to Midlands, it can soon add up, as Anytime Single fares are set at very high rates, not usually paid by leisure travellers, who travel on Off Peak or Advance tickets. If you are worried that you will not have the funds to pay any settlement, then there is a great website at brfares.com which will give you all the fares available between any two stations, and a bit of searching will give you the Standard Class Anytime Single. So you can go through your account, identify all the journeys and work out the maximum "damage" if they do go back and look at all previous journeys. They will also add on an admin fee - typically £150 but it does vary.
 

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Thank you for your feedback and the information provided, greatly appreciate.

Exactly, and I know how bad it looks as well. When he did suggest to renew we both thought yes and then he also said oh no you can’t renew because you are past the age this year and it dawned on me even more and just can’t think of why I never actively thought of that.

I also checked all tickets and since I turned 31, I used the railcard 3 times, the 3rd time being today which resulted in the notice.

3/4 of my journeys to midlands if need be, are via coach as it’s easier for me. I have a lot of coach tickets compared to the trains so when I buy on the trainline app, I never look at the specifics as the app is designed in such a way that booking is easy, fast and fuss free, a recipe for overlooking things in my case. It’s my responsibility I know. It also doesn’t help that an expired railcard still automatically applies to all tickets when searching and buying tickets via the Trainline app.

In my mind all I knew is there is a railcard but never the specifics until now. I’ve shown my rail card when asked, for years with no problem, from when It was 16-25 and 26-30 so today felt just like one of those days. It just never crossed my mind at all that I’m 31 now from this summer and on top of that my railcard has expired, otherwise I would have removed it if I had known and be paying the full amounts than risk being penalised

My other question is could this be taken to court as a repeat offence seeing as I bought tickets even with the expired railcard?

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Playing devil's advocate, I don't suppose the fact that you turned 31 might have made you think "I wonder if my 26-30 Railcard is still valid, as it's quite a time since I renewed it."

Still, you are where you are, and as said immediately above, any settlement offer is likely to take account of any journeys you incorrectly claimed a discount for. That is usually calculated using the Anytime Single fare for each journey, with no offset for the amount you paid. For local journeys this shouldn't amount to too much, but for any longer distance journeys, such as London to Midlands, it can soon add up, as Anytime Single fares are set at very high rates, not usually paid by leisure travellers, who travel on Off Peak or Advance tickets. If you are worried that you will not have the funds to pay any settlement, then there is a great website at brfares.com which will give you all the fares available between any two stations, and a bit of searching will give you the Standard Class Anytime Single. So you can go through your account, identify all the journeys and work out the maximum "damage" if they do go back and look at all previous journeys. They will also add on an admin fee - typically £150 but it does vary.
Thank you for your feedback and information provided.

Exactly, and I know how bad it looks as well. When he did suggest to renew we both thought yes and then he also said oh no you can’t renew because you are past the age this year and it dawned on me even more and just can’t think of why I never actively thought of that.

I also checked all tickets and since I turned 31, I used the railcard 3 times, the 3rd time being today which resulted in the notice.

3/4 of my journeys to midlands if need be, are via coach as it’s easier for me. I have a lot of coach tickets compared to the trains so when I buy on the trainline app, I never look at the specifics as the app is designed in such a way that booking is easy, fast and fuss free, a recipe for overlooking things in my case. It’s my responsibility I know. It also doesn’t help that an expired railcard still automatically applies to all tickets when searching and buying tickets via the Trainline app.

In my mind all I knew is there is a railcard but never the specifics until now. I’ve shown my rail card when asked, for years with no problem, from when It was 16-25 and 26-30 so today felt just like one of those days. It just never crossed my mind at all that I’m 31 now from this summer and on top of that my railcard has expired, otherwise I would have removed it if I had known and be paying the full amounts than risk being penalised

My other question is could this be taken to court as a repeat offence seeing as I bought tickets even with the expired railcard?

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The key problem is also that they will want to charge you for replacement tickets for all train journeys they can find evidence of from the date the railcard expired.

You need to prepare for that financially I’m afraid.
Oh ok I see. Does this apply to journeys made on other railway companies?
 

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Yes, TPE will act on behalf of all other rail companies if they look at your account and find anomalies.

If you cooperate and apologise then you are very unlikely to be taken to court. We can help you through that process when you get a letter.
 

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Thank you for your feedback and the information provided, greatly appreciate.

Exactly, and I know how bad it looks as well. When he did suggest to renew we both thought yes and then he also said oh no you can’t renew because you are past the age this year and it dawned on me even more and just can’t think of why I never actively thought of that.

I also checked all tickets and since I turned 31, I used the railcard 3 times, the 3rd time being today which resulted in the notice.

3/4 of my journeys to midlands if need be, are via coach as it’s easier for me. I have a lot of coach tickets compared to the trains so when I buy on the trainline app, I never look at the specifics as the app is designed in such a way that booking is easy, fast and fuss free, a recipe for overlooking things in my case. It’s my responsibility I know. It also doesn’t help that an expired railcard still automatically applies to all tickets when searching and buying tickets via the Trainline app.

In my mind all I knew is there is a railcard but never the specifics until now. I’ve shown my rail card when asked, for years with no problem, from when It was 16-25 and 26-30 so today felt just like one of those days. It just never crossed my mind at all that I’m 31 now from this summer and on top of that my railcard has expired, otherwise I would have removed it if I had known and be paying the full amounts than risk being penalised

My other question is could this be taken to court as a repeat offence seeing as I bought tickets even with the expired railcard?

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Thank you for your feedback and information provided.

Exactly, and I know how bad it looks as well. When he did suggest to renew we both thought yes and then he also said oh no you can’t renew because you are past the age this year and it dawned on me even more and just can’t think of why I never actively thought of that.

I also checked all tickets and since I turned 31, I used the railcard 3 times, the 3rd time being today which resulted in the notice.

3/4 of my journeys to midlands if need be, are via coach as it’s easier for me. I have a lot of coach tickets compared to the trains so when I buy on the trainline app, I never look at the specifics as the app is designed in such a way that booking is easy, fast and fuss free, a recipe for overlooking things in my case. It’s my responsibility I know. It also doesn’t help that an expired railcard still automatically applies to all tickets when searching and buying tickets via the Trainline app.

In my mind all I knew is there is a railcard but never the specifics until now. I’ve shown my rail card when asked, for years with no problem, from when It was 16-25 and 26-30 so today felt just like one of those days. It just never crossed my mind at all that I’m 31 now from this summer and on top of that my railcard has expired, otherwise I would have removed it if I had known and be paying the full amounts than risk being penalised

My other question is could this be taken to court as a repeat offence seeing as I bought tickets even with the expired railcard?

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Oh ok I see. Does this apply to journeys made on other railway companies?
Yes. You need to look at all train tickets bought for any travel with railcard discounts applied since the expiry date. They can obtain data from trainline or other retailers.

Trainline applying discounts that people overlook by mistake is a significant cause of cases on this forum. They presumably don’t have sufficient safeguards for users. I don’t use them so have no idea how easy it is to make this error. But plenty people seem to do so. Perhaps consider taking your business elsewhere to another ticket retailer.
 

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The OP says they travelled from Chesterfield to Manchester Piccadilly. Never heard of Trans Pennine Express. 99% of the time, that journey would be on East Midlands Railway, but due engineering work, they aren't running West of Sheffield for a couple of weeks, due to engineering work at Stockport.
 

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The OP says they travelled from Chesterfield to Manchester Piccadilly. Never heard of Trans Pennine Express. 99% of the time, that journey would be on East Midlands Railway, but due engineering work, they aren't running West of Sheffield for a couple of weeks, due to engineering work at Stockport.
OP says they travelled to "Lancashire", which could be Lancaster for example, from Manchester.
 

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The OP says they travelled from Chesterfield to Manchester Piccadilly. Never heard of Trans Pennine Express. 99% of the time, that journey would be on East Midlands Railway, but due engineering work, they aren't running West of Sheffield for a couple of weeks, due to engineering work at Stockport.
Likely a change of trains onto TPE was made en route today by the OP at Sheffield and maybe Manchester Piccadilly as well.
 

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If the OP's details have been taken by TPE and they were on a TPE train it really doesn't matter how they came to be on that train. The facts of the matter aren't going to be affected by that.
 

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Yes. You need to look at all train tickets bought for any travel with railcard discounts applied since the expiry date. They can obtain data from trainline or other retailers.

Trainline applying discounts that people overlook by mistake is a significant cause of cases on this forum. They presumably don’t have sufficient safeguards for users. I don’t use them so have no idea how easy it is to make this error. But plenty people seem to do so. Perhaps consider taking your business elsewhere to another ticket retailer.
Yes I have learnt my lesson and it’s correct, most people have bought railcards via trainline which I did myself too. It just stays on even when expired.

Trainline’s main focus is keeping everything digital and fast I guess. I.e for example, seeing all live departures for trains and platforms, eliminating having to queue to buy a physical ticket, less chances of losing your ticket as it’s digital and no fiddling round trying to look for it when asked, but with that also comes a potential to overlook things and not check details because if I had a physical railcard I would have noticed that it’s expired as I have to keep looking at it than when it’s digital, you never see it unless you specifically go to the railcard tab and usually this is because a ticket officer wants to see it.

Moving forward it’s a lesson learnt for me and I will be extra extra careful.

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If the OP's details have been taken by TPE and they were on a TPE train it really doesn't matter how they came to be on that train. The facts of the matter aren't going to be affected by that.
Oh I see. Yes they took my details on a TPE train. So you mean they will only investigate the train ticket that I had on me for that TPE train journey?

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The OP says they travelled from Chesterfield to Manchester Piccadilly. Never heard of Trans Pennine Express. 99% of the time, that journey would be on East Midlands Railway, but due engineering work, they aren't running West of Sheffield for a couple of weeks, due to engineering work at Stockport.
I see and yes I know East Midlands railway, I’m familiar with that trainline

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Likely a change of trains onto TPE was made en route today by the OP at Sheffield and maybe Manchester Piccadilly as well.
Yes that’s correct

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Yes, TPE will act on behalf of all other rail companies if they look at your account and find anomalies.

If you cooperate and apologise then you are very unlikely to be taken to court. We can help you through that process when you get a letter.
Ok thank you, I will be sure to come back here once I receive the letter
 
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Oh I see. Yes they took my details on a TPE train. So you mean they will only investigate the train ticket that I had on me for that TPE train journey?

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I see and yes I know East Midlands railway, I’m familiar with that trainline

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Yes that’s correct
No. TPE will take on the task of looking at all travel with all rail companies in this process now. If they opt to look. But you should sssume they will. They all act for each other in these circumstances.
 

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OP says they travelled to "Lancashire", which could be Lancaster for example, from Manchester.
Yes it was Lancaster. My phone autocorrected to Lancashire
No. TPE will take on the task of looking at all travel with all rail companies in this process now. If they opt to look. But you should sssume they will. They all act for each other in these circumstances.
Ok thank you
 

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Yes I have learnt my lesson and it’s correct, most people have bought railcards via trainline which I did myself too. It just stays on even when expired.

Trainline’s main focus is keeping everything digital and fast I guess. I.e for example, seeing all live departures for trains and platforms, eliminating having to queue to buy a physical ticket, less chances of losing your ticket as it’s digital and no fiddling round trying to look for it when asked, but with that also comes a potential to overlook things and not check details because if I had a physical railcard I would have noticed that it’s expired as I have to keep looking at it than when it’s digital, you never see it unless you specifically go to the railcard tab and usually this is because a ticket officer wants to see it.

Moving forward it’s a lesson learnt for me and I will be extra extra careful.

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Oh I see. Yes they took my details on a TPE train. So you mean they will only investigate the train ticket that I had on me for that TPE train journey?

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I see and yes I know East Midlands railway, I’m familiar with that trainline

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Yes that’s correct

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Ok thank you, I will be sure to come back here once I receive the letter
Hi, hope you are well. I received a letter from TPE today. Wondering if this is good or bad? I was thinking of saying :

I am writing in response to your letter regarding an alleged travel irregularity on 21 August 2025.

I want to sincerely apologise for this incident. I had purchased my ticket through the Trainline app, where my 26–30 Railcard was saved and automatically applied to all bookings. Unfortunately, I did not realise that my Railcard had expired in September 2024 as it’s automatically applied to all searches and purchases and this never made me realise that it has expired. I only became aware of this when shown by your inspector on the train.

I would like to make clear that there was no intent to avoid paying the correct fare. I believed my ticket was valid, and once informed, I immediately purchased a new ticket to continue my journey. I rarely use the train, and this was an honest oversight on my part.

I fully accept responsibility for not checking the Railcard expiry date more carefully and deeply regret this mistake. I kindly ask that you take into account my clean record and the fact that this was my first incident.

I am willing to pay any unpaid fare difference and a reasonable contribution to your administrative costs in order to settle this matter without the need for court action.





Thank you for considering my comments.
 

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Hi, hope you are well. I received a letter from TPE today. Wondering if this is good or bad? I was thinking of saying :

I am writing in response to your letter regarding an alleged travel irregularity on 21 August 2025.

I want to sincerely apologise for this incident. I had purchased my ticket through the Trainline app, where my 26–30 Railcard was saved and automatically applied to all bookings. Unfortunately, I did not realise that my Railcard had expired in September 2024 as it’s automatically applied to all searches and purchases and this never made me realise that it has expired. I only became aware of this when shown by your inspector on the train.

I would like to make clear that there was no intent to avoid paying the correct fare. I believed my ticket was valid, and once informed, I immediately purchased a new ticket to continue my journey. I rarely use the train, and this was an honest oversight on my part.

I fully accept responsibility for not checking the Railcard expiry date more carefully and deeply regret this mistake. I kindly ask that you take into account my clean record and the fact that this was my first incident.

I am willing to pay any unpaid fare difference and a reasonable contribution to your administrative costs in order to settle this matter without the need for court action.





Thank you for considering my comments.
Pretty good but

I’d avoid saying it was your ‘first incident’ as technically any travel since September 2024 with the discount was an ‘incident’ as far as the railway is concerned it’s just this was the first time anyone noticed.

I don’t think you should offer to pay the difference. They will want a new ticket paying for. Better to offer to pay ‘any fare owed’

But the wording in general seems ok to me.
If you have time wait 24 hours for other comments before sending it.
 

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Pretty good but

I’d avoid saying it was your ‘first incident’ as technically any travel since September 2024 with the discount was an ‘incident’ as far as the railway is concerned it’s just this was the first time anyone noticed.

I don’t think you should offer to pay the difference. They will want a new ticket paying for. Better to offer to pay ‘any fare owed’

But the wording in general seems ok to me.
If you have time wait 24 hours for other comments before sending it.
Ok thank you, will wait for others
 

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I agree with @WesternLancer and would just add that I would remove the word “reasonable” from the last paragraph. It’s a condition that I don’t think you need to add, and has an air of “don’t try and be unreasonable” when you’re looking to stay completely non- confrontational with them.
 

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Ok thank you, will wait for others
You should do your own private audit of travel since the railcard expired. Unfortunately there is a realistic prospect of them wanting payment for new tickets for every journey taken where tickets were discounted after the railcard expired. That could potentially be a significant sum so you need to prepare for that eventuality.
 

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You should do your own private audit of travel since the railcard expired. Unfortunately there is a realistic prospect of them wanting payment for new tickets for every journey taken where tickets were discounted after the railcard expired. That could potentially be a significant sum so you need to prepare for that eventuality.
Ok thank you so much for your input, I really appreciate it

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I agree with @WesternLancer and would just add that I would remove the word “reasonable” from the last paragraph. It’s a condition that I don’t think you need to add, and has an air of “don’t try and be unreasonable” when you’re looking to stay completely non- confrontational with them.
Ok thank you so much. Ok I will remove and change it. I appreciate all the help

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‘If we do not receive a response which shows a valid ticket or railcard was held, nor provides any other suitable mitigation, within 14 days, then we will write to you again. If we do write to you again, we will normally seek a contribution to our costs of recovering any amounts owed.’

Regards to this last part of the letter, would I need to submit even the expired railcard as well as the train ticket I had at the time of inspection along with my response or just the response would be ok since the railcard is expired and the letter says ‘valid railcard and valid ticket.’
 
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Ok thank you so much for your input, I really appreciate it

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Ok thank you so much. Ok I will remove and change it. I appreciate all the help

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‘If we do not receive a response which shows a valid ticket or railcard was held, nor provides any other suitable mitigation, within 14 days, then we will write to you again. If we do write to you again, we will normally seek a contribution to our costs of recovering any amounts owed.’

Regards to this last part of the letter, would I need to submit even the expired railcard as well as the train ticket I had at the time of inspection along with my response or just the response would be ok since the railcard is expired and the letter says ‘valid railcard and valid ticket.’
That request is for people who may in fact have had a valid railcard but may have left it at home for example.

You don’t need to send a copy of an expired one but it won’t do any harm if you do (but be sure to keep it in case you do need to prove the date to them). You could probably just state in your reply that you had ‘overlooked the fact that your railcard had in fact expired on xx date, and a copy of that railcard and the ticket used is enclosed for information. This was an unintentional error and I never intended to evade any fare for my travel’.
 

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That request is for people who may in fact have had a valid railcard but may have left it at home for example.

You don’t need to send a copy of an expired one but it won’t do any harm if you do (but be sure to keep it in case you do need to prove the date to them). You could probably just state in your reply that you had ‘overlooked the fact that your railcard had in fact expired on xx date, and a copy of that railcard and the ticket used is enclosed for information. This was an unintentional error and I never intended to evade any fare for my travel’.
Ok thank you!
 
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