Trains With No Cab Doors

[RPM]

All the traction I sign has external cab doors but I have often wondered how drivers of units without cab doors manage to get out to use SPTs without the risk of passengers falling or following them out. This must be especially difficult in crowded trains. I know the front vestibule is locked out of passenger use on 159s for this reason but this isn't done on 158s, 180s, pacers etc, so how is it managed?

 

[MattRobinson]

Whenever I've seen a driver get out to use an SPT, etc, they always close the doors immediately after themselves rather than leaving them open (as they might for stock with cab doors).

 

[starrymarkb]

The doors immediately behind the cab on 180s are emergency exits only, the only way to access them from the saloon is a 'break glass' release like the 159s so they are classed as drivers doors.

 

[michael769]

I have had drivers get out to use SPTs on cl156 and cl158 where I have been standing in the vestibule.

Other than asking folks to move away from the open door so someone does not fall out it's not really an issue IMO.

 

[Wolf_359]

On the Class 153s we use if the driver needs to get out of the train he calls the guard to the front of the train & he stands by the door to stop people from falling out.

Hope this Helps.

 

[Yew]

When ive seen it on pacers, the driver jsut opens to local door, then when hes down closes it again.

Shame you cant use the gangway on sprinters

 

[Crossover]

The only time I have seen a driver get out of the train via anything other than a cab door was the other week on the Heysham Port working.

Naturally, this is planned for (and the train was far from busy!) so the guard came to the relevant door (on 144) to open it and stood there while he was out (and in the first instance getting soaked by the sudden downpour!)

No real risk of any passengers falling out there anyway

 

[Flywaver]

I used to drive 156/158 and this was my biggest complaint about them.Let alone Suitcases trapping me in the cab.Or someone shouting down there mobile phone behind you. The SPT was an issue as well.I used to clear everyone away.If they moaned then i just said ill stay put...I much prefer 170 cabs.No horrible gangway door but the only downside is we can still hear noise behind which can be a distraction..

 

[Rick1984]

Slightly off topic but why do trains such as class 314 or 150 with cab doors have a vestibule behind the cab between the doors. Does this not just waste a lot of space and reduce size of cab?

 

[RPM]

Slightly off topic but why do trains such as class 314 or 150 with cab doors have a vestibule behind the cab between the doors. Does this not just waste a lot of space and reduce size of cab?

It was identified as a waste of space back in BR days. Elimination of said vestibule was one of the goals of the class 319 design and it has not featured on a unit since, IIRC.

 

[185]

All the traction I sign has external cab doors but I have often wondered how drivers of units without cab doors manage to get out to use SPTs without the risk of passengers falling or following them out. This must be especially difficult in crowded trains. I know the front vestibule is locked out of passenger use on 159s for this reason but this isn't done on 158s, 180s, pacers etc, so how is it managed?

I've climbed in through many a ram-packed 158's front door.

 

[RPM]

I've climbed in through many a ram-packed 158's front door.

I did wonder if that happened sometimes!

 

[hello]

how does it work with a pendolino, as it certainly looks like they dont have their own cab door

 

[chris89]

how does it work with a pendolino, as it certainly looks like they dont have their own cab door

They have there own Crew door. Which is the first one on the leading coaches. As passengers can only use the Door closest to Coaches J and B

 

[sga962]

here's how they do it :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMEuEF9-UbU

although seriously I've seen drivers use the internal doors before.

 

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