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Trains in the Netherlands

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TheAlbanach_

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Hello all, just looking for some advice really! I'm going to the Netherlands next month and flying to Eindhoven, going to take the train up to Amsterdam. Looks fairly cheap online, I have FIP coupon so fine for me just wondering for my boyfriend if it's cheaper to buy online, or is it the same price at the station? Trains in the Netherlands seem to be good in that they charge per distance.

Also if anyone's knows will be taking the intercity (not Thalys) train to Brussels from Amsterdam. Can I use both Dutch and Belgian coupons on this train?

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Trains from Eindhoven to Amsterdam are frequent and of a reasonable price. Buying from a ticket machine in the Netherlands you geht a disposable OV Chipcard which costs 1.50 extra. Not sure how that works online. I assume you geht a bar code for the barriers.
 

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Trains from Eindhoven to Amsterdam are frequent and of a reasonable price. Buying from a ticket machine in the Netherlands you geht a disposable OV Chipcard which costs 1.50 extra. Not sure how that works online. I assume you geht a bar code for the barriers.



Brilliant, thank you!


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if it's cheaper to buy online

Most foreigners can't buy online from the NS site as you need to have a Dutch bank account. However, you can buy some domestic tickets from https://www.b-europe.com (Belgian Railways) and have the ticket as an e-ticket or on your phone. The fares are sometimes different from them. For example, Eindhoven to Amsterdam is 20.40 from Belgian Railways compared to 19.20 from NS. However, if you bought it from an NS ticket machine using a UK credit card then you would pay an extra 0.50, plus 1.00 for the single use smartcard ticket. Belgian Railways don't charge a credit card fee.

There is a regular NS ticket machine in the airport offering through tickets to anywhere in the Netherlands including the bus fare to Eindhoven railway station.

Last time I was there you could buy cheap day tickets from Eindhoven airport, giving unlimited train travel in the Netherlands for a day for something like 22 euro, including the bus fare to Eindhoven railway station, available from either the tourist office or GWK (I can't remember which) in the airport.
 

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The surcharge for a trainticket at a vendingmachine or counter is 1 euro; not 1,50.

Between Eindhoven Airport and Eindhoven station runs busline 400 and 401 (Hermes is the buscomapny) very frequently in about 25 minutes. The price is 2,26 euro one way with an OV-chipcard.

You can check the complete Dutch public transport at: https://9292.nl/en
 

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Here in the Netherlands, we don't have any Advance or Off-Peak fares like in the UK. Any ticket is an Anytime ticket (maybe except for some promotional tickets).

People who regularly use Dutch public transport will have an OV-chipkaart (a smart card, like Oyster) which can be used nationwide and offer cheaper fares than when buying paper ticket. Frequent travelers will usually have a pass which entitles them to a discount.

The surcharge for a trainticket at a vendingmachine or counter is 1 euro; not 1,50.
If you want to pay with a credit card you're charged an additional € 0,50.
 

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The surcharge for a trainticket at a vendingmachine or counter is 1 euro; not 1,50.

If you only want to be surcharged 1 euro at a ticket machine, you need to bring euro coins; preferably 1 and 2 euro coins as the machines only accept 35 coins per transaction after which they release all the coins back to you at a rate of one every 2 seconds.
 

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Here in the Netherlands, we don't have any Advance or Off-Peak fares like in the UK. Any ticket is an Anytime ticket (maybe except for some promotional tickets).



People who regularly use Dutch public transport will have an OV-chipkaart (a smart card, like Oyster) which can be used nationwide and offer cheaper fares than when buying paper ticket. Frequent travelers will usually have a pass which entitles them to a discount.





If you want to pay with a credit card you're charged an additional € 0,50.



Thanks! I was in Amsterdam a couple months ago, the ov-chipkaart is really impressive compared to what we have in the U.K!


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It might be worth clarifying that even a Visa or MasterCard debit card is charged the 0.50 euro fee at a NS machine even though they are not credit cards. Banknotes are not accepted at the machine but you can pay with banknotes at the ticket office, if there is one.
 

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Why are some countries making it increasingly difficult for travellers from abroad to make use of their public transport? Do they not care/want visitors?

In an unrelated and non-rail problem, I will be visiting Antalya in Turkey by ship. All their buses only allow travel with a card, which of course I do not have, but apparently can buy at a bus station in a town 'near' to the port. Right!
 

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Why are some countries making it increasingly difficult for travellers from abroad to make use of their public transport? Do they not care/want visitors?

You could argue that visitors had some difficulty in the past but since NS rolled out Visa/Mastercard payment to all machines nationwide and introduced tourist tickets which suit most visitors I would say that the Netherlands is now probably one of the easiest places for foreigners.
 

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You could argue that visitors had some difficulty in the past but since NS rolled out Visa/Mastercard payment to all machines nationwide and introduced tourist tickets which suit most visitors I would say that the Netherlands is now probably one of the easiest places for foreigners.

It was a right PITA before they sorted this out though!
 

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Why are some countries making it increasingly difficult for travellers from abroad to make use of their public transport? Do they not care/want visitors?

In an unrelated and non-rail problem, I will be visiting Antalya in Turkey by ship. All their buses only allow travel with a card, which of course I do not have, but apparently can buy at a bus station in a town 'near' to the port. Right!

Stockholm is another example.

If you are not going to accept cash on board then at least take contactless card.

However, transportation systems mainly cater to locals. Will you cancel your trip to Antalya because you forsee problems with taking the bus?

And once you have the card, then coming back is not a problem (although you will end up with having lots of cards).
 

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And once you have the card, then coming back is not a problem (although you will end up with having lots of cards).

But where on earth did I put my Volcano smartcard for the city of Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky?
 

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Stockholm is another example.


However, transportation systems mainly cater to locals. Will you cancel your trip to Antalya because you forsee problems with taking the bus?

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I don't really accept that transportation systems mainly cater to locals, for several reasons:

Where I live a few buses run, but catering for locals seems to have been ignored. They do however accept cash.

In some places visitors are encouraged to use public transport with discounted tickets or passes issued by hotels. Switzerland for example.

In many countries it is possible to find out where to buy public transport passes close to your arrival point. Italy, Spain, Portugal for example.

Netherlands for example did make it very difficult for visitors to buy tickets, but apparently have now made this much easier - I wonder what encouraged them to do this?

Antalya only gets a couple of cruise ship visits a month. I am guessing they are not yet aware of the issues their recent move to card only public transport is creating. If they want to encourage more visitors then they will need to make life easier for them.

In answer to your question on whether I will cancel my visit, the answer is no.
There remain many options:
- one is to take a transfer purchased from the ship. Not an option I will choose because timing is restrictive.
- it may turn out that tickets will be readily available at the port. I doubt it but you never know.
- I may take a taxi, particularly if we can find another couple to share with, and then maybe will be able to get a card and take the bus back.
- Failing all that Antalya will lose my visit, sightseeing costs, shopping by wife, morning coffee (and brandy), lunch at a little restaurant, drink in a bar etc.
Perhaps I have answered my question about why the Netherlands made changes.
 

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What is convenient for tourists can be directly contrary to what is ideal for regular travellers. For example, removal of cash payment on board buses may be annoying for visitors but is in the interests of frequent travellers as it reduces dwell times and therefore speeds up journey times. Another example would be the Swiss Half Fare Card. Because so many people use this card, the "default" fare becomes the fare with the Half Fare Card and tourists either have to pay the "full" fare (really double fare) or get one of the tourist tickets.
 
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It isn't so much the removal of cash sales, it is the easy availability of purchasing facilities for whatever replaces cash.

A few years ago I regularly used Gatwick airport, and I remember the vast hordes of people trying to buy tickets to travel to London by train. This was not caused because cards had replaced cash, but because totally inadequate purchasing facilities were provided. I have seen similar scenes at St Pancras. These are both entry points for visitors.

Visitors inevitably take much longer to purchase a ticket than a 'local', in fact I doubt if any locals would be buying because they would already have the required tickets/cards (and if not, guess that there would be ticket machines at other entrances to the station). Therefore purchasing facilities need to be much greater, have multilingual instructions, and ideally have staff available to assist - but then who would want to pay for this just for visitors?
 
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