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Trainline booking fee, none for NRE??

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Howardh

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National rail enquiries ticketing - no booking fee
Trainline.com - 75p booking fee.

How does trainline.com stay in business? Or, why don't NRE have a booking fee? Or even am I getting something from Trainline that I can't from NRE, eg offers?

This is nothing to do with postage or a credit card fee, it's just to simply go through the motions of booking online.

Bizarre?? Have I missed something??
 
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You can't book through National Rail Enquiries although you can book without a booking fee from train operating companies.

Thetrainline continues to exist because it has bamboozled consumers into believing it offers tickets cheaper than are available elsewhere.
 

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You can't actually buy tickets through NRE... it just redirects you to a random TOC site, and most of the TOC's don't charge booking fees.
 

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NRE don't sell tickets - they redirect you to TOCs or third party vendors who do.

It's all down to advertising - there are a lot of people who think the cheapest advances are only available on TheTrainLine
 

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Blanket marketing and advertising. Many people think they're the place to go (plus, they were if I remember rightly the very first place to book online back in 2000 - no fees back then)
 

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Thetrainline continues to exist because it has bamboozled consumers into believing it offers tickets cheaper than are available elsewhere.

This.

TheTrainLine has managed to market itself as a price comparison or late deals website rather than as just another website selling stuff off a central database. People just lump it in along with the likes of lastminute.com and assume it's cheaper than booking direct.
 

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Interesting. I use NRE a lot and have noticed being directed towards the companies websites rather than booking directly, so I wonder if there are any TOC's charging these extra fees so I can watch out for them?
 

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National rail enquiries ticketing - no booking fee
Trainline.com - 75p booking fee.

How does trainline.com stay in business? Or, why don't NRE have a booking fee? Or even am I getting something from Trainline that I can't from NRE, eg offers?

This is nothing to do with postage or a credit card fee, it's just to simply go through the motions of booking online.

Bizarre?? Have I missed something??

This comes up time and time again on this forum (this thread might get closed as a quick search will return you loads of posts, but here's a quick lowdown).

First of all, National Rail Enquiries don't actually book tickets for you. They will redirect you to one of the train companies depending on the journey you have booked.

To book tickets, all booking engines will be charged a certain amount. Whether they pass some/all of that on to you (the customer) is up to them. Trainline's primary business is selling tickets, so they decided to pass a charge on to the customer as they aren't getting money from elsewhere. This also applies to RailEasy and Red Spotted Hanky.

You can buy tickets from train operators instead and most (if not all) of them don't charge booking fees, they absorb the cost instead. Some of them also offer additional perks for purchasing from them, including rewards schemes or promotional discounts. It is worth mentioning that all train operators selling tickets are required to make all tickets available for purchase, regardless of operator. For example, you can buy tickets for SouthEastern Railway from the Virgin Trains website, etc.

As for how Trainline are in business, there's a variety of reasons.

First off is that they put a lot of money (presumably made through the booking fee) into advertising. They had TV and online adverts, etc and it became a well known brand. Heck, I knew about and used Trainline well before I knew the train operators had sites that did the same.

Another reason is that people think that if they want a journey on one operator, they have to buy from that operator's site, while Trainline sell tickets for all operators. On a similar note, some people hate their train company to the point where they don't mind paying a booking fee if they think the train company they would've bought a ticket off will get less of their money (I know someone who does this).

I feel it's mostly down to brand awareness and public knowledge.

EDIT: I found out about train operators having their own sites selling tickets through the information displays on LondonMidland services when I was commuting between Crewe and Wolverhampton a few years ago. They had an emphasis on "no booking fees" (possibly with more than one exclamation mark!!!)
 
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Please note - I actually did search as I thought this MUST have been covered before but nothing relevent came up!!!
 

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I find TheTrainLine's "best fare finder" tool quite useful. It identifies the cheapest available ticket between pairs of stations, separated by timeslot.

Finding long-distance £10 tickets can be difficult otherwise.

Not that I actually buy the tickets from them of course...
 

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You can't actually buy tickets through NRE... it just redirects you to a random TOC site, and most of the TOC's don't charge booking fees.

A random TOC site? Are you sure? The TOC site to which I was referred when I used the NRE website a few days ago seemed, to me, the logical choice.
 

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A random TOC site? Are you sure? The TOC site to which I was referred when I used the NRE website a few days ago seemed, to me, the logical choice.

I believe it's based on who sets the fares for the route as they may have promotions on, though it could be the primary operator for the journey (i.e. who you spend the longest with in the journey).
 

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I believe it's based on who sets the fares for the route as they may have promotions on, though it could be the primary operator for the journey (i.e. who you spend the longest with in the journey).

Thanks ...there has to be some methodology behind the selection of TOC website.
 

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Thanks ...there has to be some methodology behind the selection of TOC website.

I thought I'd do a test and ahahaha guess it is random after all.

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Done some more checks. The "any permitted" tickets go through to Northern as you'd expect. The "Virgin Trains only" tickets go through to Thameslink for some reason...
 
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I thought I'd do a test and ahahaha guess it is random after all.

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Done some more checks. The "any permitted" tickets go through to Northern as you'd expect. The "Virgin Trains only" tickets go through to Thameslink for some reason...

Ah, but if they go to Thameslink for some reason, then it's not random. But I would like to know what is that reason.
 

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Inner-London journeys can be interesting- as the fares within the zones are largely set centrally, NRES hands off to a random TOC's booking engine. I've had Scotrail before!
 

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National rail enquiries ticketing - no booking fee
Trainline.com - 75p booking fee.

How does trainline.com stay in business? Or, why don't NRE have a booking fee? Or even am I getting something from Trainline that I can't from NRE, eg offers?

This is nothing to do with postage or a credit card fee, it's just to simply go through the motions of booking online.

Bizarre?? Have I missed something??

Note also that most (all?) TOCs won't charge a credit card fee either and some will not charge for postage (some will only charge for postage if the earliest ticket in your basket could be picked up from a ticket machine at the destination station).
 
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Just to mention as well, the verdict of myself and I'm sure many other forum members that the NRE engine is a terrible website.
 

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Because their advertising campaign has been rather successful, so people genuinely believe they are saving money even when they are not.

Neil

They've also managed to catch the expenses market, more than once I've seen on this thread board that employers demand their staff use thetrainline

Just to mention as well, the verdict of myself and I'm sure many other forum members that the NRE engine is a terrible website.

You can count me in that last, I'll always use WebTIS (or whatever LM use)
 
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They've also managed to catch the expenses market, more than once I've seen on this thread that employers demand their staff use thetrainline

They might well provide some back-end reporting functionality that for the business is worth paying for. There are some other similar sites e.g. ClickTravel.

Neil
 

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Thetrainline also has a knack of coming up first when searching for TOC's websites on Google.
 

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They might well provide some back-end reporting functionality that for the business is worth paying for. There are some other similar sites e.g. ClickTravel.

My employer signed a deal with TheTrainLine, and gave instructions that all train travel had to be booked through them. When several of us lodged a formal suggestion for cost saving by not using them, the official answer came back from the management that the booking fee was outweighed by the valuable reporting data that was supplied.

However when the two year contract ended it was not renewed and our official company advice now is to book through a TOC website that does not charge credit card or booking fees.
 

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I was using Virgin's website to book some tickets to visit a friend today, and when the MasterCard security password thing came up, it said I was paying Thetrainline.com...
Interesting considering Virgin don't have booking fees.
 

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How does trainline.com stay in business?

Because, as others have said, thetrainline.com is very clever in how it words things. Thus people believe that thetrainline is actually offering a discount on tickets that you'd pay more for elsewhere. Rather than the reality that it can sell cheaper tickets, as anyone can, than the most common ones that you might be sold. For example, advance tickets instead of an open ticket. This is how it manages to state that you can 'save nn%'. It's not a saving on a specific ticket, but the price of one ticket vs another. Very misleading IMO, but the ASA disagrees it would seem.

Once people realise that the tickets they sell are the same as you could get elsewhere, they inevitably ask the very same question about how they can get away with it. With the booking fee, they're more expensive ALL of the time.

All it takes is for more people to realise this, but it hasn't happened for as long as I've known about them.

However, it seems that they might be a bit better for offering their services to business customers (although a poster above perhaps shows that even this is changing).
 
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