Training needs Analysis - Southeastern

[Holt0121]

Hi,

I have an interview for a qualified drivers position with Southeastern which encompasses an interview and a "Training needs analysis"

Does anyone know what this involves?

Thanks

 

[OneTrackMind]

They will ask you questions about what training they might need to provide you with if successful, e.g. traction conversion and route learning if you don't already sign over their routes...

Nothing to worry about.

 

[Class2ldn]

Blimey, someone going TO southeastern lol

 

[ComUtoR]

Blimey, someone going TO southeastern lol

Graduating to the Elite

 

[whoosh]

Some examples:

Someone going from London Overground would need training on the Level Crossings rule book module as they don't have any level crossings on the London Overground network and haven't been taught it.

Someone going from diesels to 25kv electrics will need to be taught about coasting with pantographs down and their associated warning boards etc.

Going from Driver and Guard to DOO - there's some extra rules and procedures that need to be taught.

 

[Holt0121]

Lovely cheers.

And I'm currently at Southern so couldn't get any worse ??????

 

[BTU]

Lovely cheers.

And I'm currently at Southern so couldn't get any worse ��

What, you don't like Southern? I won't hear a bad word said about them so well managed and such punctual trains, what's there to not like?

 

[Class2ldn]

Used to work at southeastern, believe me it can lol. Get yourself over to TL.

 

[Pilotman]

Yes a TNA (training needs Analysis) is to identify knowledge gaps in rules and traction, normally in a assessment paper format. Also as part of a TNA this will include TOC specific and local instructions depending on the infrastructure, for example POSA's, Bi Directional working etc.

My advice is to refresh your rules and traction especially most recent rule changes ie warning horn times published 10th Dec 16 along with other changes.

Hope this helps

 

[tsr]

Some examples:

Someone going from London Overground would need training on the Level Crossings rule book module as they don't have any level crossings on the London Overground network and haven't been taught it.

Someone going from diesels to 25kv electrics will need to be taught about coasting with pantographs down and their associated warning boards etc.

Going from Driver and Guard to DOO - there's some extra rules and procedures that need to be taught.

Good examples, apart from the one I've put in bold - there are several level crossings on the LO network, including a couple in the Acton area, one in the depot at New Cross Gate, and several on the more recently acquired routes to/from Liverpool St.

 

[whoosh]

Ah... Perhaps I'm thinking of Heathrow Express, although I'm sure London Overground don't cover something.

 

[Bromley boy]

Ah... Perhaps I'm thinking of Heathrow Express, although I'm sure London Overground don't cover something.

As I understand it everyone doing a Network Rail standard rules course would have covered the module on level crossings along with absolute block, train protection etc. irrespective of TOC. So everyone should know the basics.

I'm sure you're right that TOCs will offer refresher courses on particular areas relevant to their network, though.

EDIT: I seem to remember reading that HEx isn't a TOC, so perhaps its drivers don't follow the standard rules course.

 

[BTU]

As I understand it everyone doing a Network Rail standard rules course would have covered the module on level crossings along with absolute block, train protection etc. irrespective of TOC. So everyone should know the basics.

I'm sure you're right that TOCs will offer refresher courses on particular areas relevant to their network, though.

EDIT: I seem to remember reading that HEx isn't a TOC, so perhaps its drivers don't follow the standard rules course.

HEX is a TOC it has its own ASLEF reps its owned by Heathrow Handling so when it suits them they aren't a TOC and when it suits them they are a TOC but they are a bit of an anomaly granted.

 

[Orchid]

As I understand it everyone doing a Network Rail standard rules course would have covered the module on level crossings along with absolute block, train protection etc. irrespective of TOC. So everyone should know the basics.

I'm sure you're right that TOCs will offer refresher courses on particular areas relevant to their network, though.

EDIT: I seem to remember reading that HEx isn't a TOC, so perhaps its drivers don't follow the standard rules course.

Not true about AB, we have had drivers join us recently who had to have a bespoke AB brief as it wasn't taught in their initial training.

 

[Bromley boy]

Not true about AB, we have had drivers join us recently who had to have a bespoke AB brief as it wasn't taught in their initial training.

I must admit I'm surprised at that. I'd always assumed the TOCs were pretty consistent in what was covered during rules. It's difficult to imagine someone understanding TCB and general principles of signalling without first understanding AB, for example.

 

[Orchid]

I must admit I'm surprised at that. I'd always assumed the TOCs were pretty consistent in what was covered during rules. It's difficult to imagine someone understanding TCB and general principles of signalling without first understanding AB, for example.

I agree, it surprised me as well and I think it surprised our DMs too!