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Mintona

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I've been given 'not to stop' orders before but fortunately not missed out anywhere that I'm meant to stop at! It does happen though, especially on peak time trains where they are randomly given extra stops to the normal off peak service pattern.
 
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I wondered about that and was part of the point of my question - would the driver be unreasonably reprimanded. My take is that if enough journeys are taken then sooner or later a human error will occur. Would a driver with an inevitable enquiry pending be in a fit state to continue with the journey? Would he remember to contact the bobby (as the late pull up and subsequent thinking time, even without reversing, has to be unexpectedly blocking the line)?

When I missed a station as a Trainee Driver, my Driver Trainer picked up the four points on his 'license'* and three extra ride outs with a Driver Manager as I hadn't yet received a 'license'*. I had approached West Hampstead Thameslink on the Up Fast, having received advanced warning of a diverging route set at the Jcn (just after the station) and had concentrated on the junction rather than the station. I realised as we approached but we had little option but to carry on to Kings Cross Thameslink without stopping (the signaller was unlikely to let us set back across the junction).

It was amazing how the two hundred or so passengers waiting between the platform edge and the yellow line failed to move when the train was hurtling through at 60mph!

*It's not a license like a road driving license, but it is part of the qualification to drive trains.

It may be hard to believe, but this happened just before Christmas. I must admit I was surprised; I can only imagine that, because it was the last train of the night, the train crew felt it was only kind to let the passengers on, and it was easier to get them to walk down the track than reverse to the station....

I managed to stop a train with the front set of doors just barely on the platform at Harlington once, I checked all was okay and let the passengers out before carrying on to Bedford. The next day the Driver manager calls me and my trainer into his office to tell us we'd been taken off our 'job' and to discuss it.

It transpires that the daughter of a Company Director claimed to be on the train, at the front, and told her father what happened (in her eyes), the Company Director fired off an email in the morning claiming that the front door was not only off the platform but also liable to give an unsuspecting passenger a nasty fall to the ballast off the end of the platform ramp (though the second door was on the platform as she had apparently used that door instead).

The DM failed to produce any evidence of this except a CCTV still of the back of the train, claiming it proved we'd overshot and not reported it. After two hours of sitting in the depot waiting for them to get some more evidence (they didn't get any) we were 'let off' and had to finish off the days work.

So if you really think this is a regular occurrence, I suggest you make a complaint in regard to unsafe working and breaches of the railway rules.

....Of this I do have photographic evidence - and it's not a one-off. If somebody can explain to me how to post a photo, I'll show you!

Either upload your photo to a photo sharing website (photobucket, Flickr, etc) and post a link in your post (you may need to shrink the picture depending on how big it is), or use an attachment.
 

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Better than ATW then...their trains often depart early (five minutes or more) and as a result a number of people miss the train. One train crew's answer to seeing people running onto the platform as they heard the train approaching early? Stop the train 200 yards past the station then get the passengers to walk along the track to board. Not best practice, surely?

And what station was this at? The chances of the guard giving two buzzes 5 minutes early, the driver accepting the two buzzes 5 minutes early, add into that the chance of the guard accepting the tip from a dispatcher at certain stations 5 minutes early. Then allowing passengers to walk along the ballast.

Sorry I don't buy it.
 

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I once had a silverlink fail to stop at watford junction (unusually on the up fast).
 

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That's a very strange one. Quite a curve approaching Parkway, along with signals at Stoke Gifford Jcn, so would be very surprised to see a Driver failing to stop; it would be rather difficult to miss it! :| Still, can't grumble too much for 50p I guess :lol:

I see to recall that this was when there was the only one service on a Sunday from Temple Meads to Parkway. My uni years were 74-77. Early evening at about 6-7 pm. Could have been that the driver totally forgot the stop. No idea what the signaling was like then. All I missed was a couple of pints of cider with a pal.
 

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I see to recall that this was when there was the only one service on a Sunday from Temple Meads to Parkway. My uni years were 74-77. Early evening at about 6-7 pm. Could have been that the driver totally forgot the stop. No idea what the signaling was like then. All I missed was a couple of pints of cider with a pal.

Ah, back in t'old days then! To be perfectly honest I wouldn't put anything past some of the old school BR men, maybe he was on a promise further up the road! :lol:
 

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I was on a service to Causeland some years back. We told the guard we wished to alight but the driver forgot and the train went past. The guard told the driver so there was an emergency stop and then the train reversed... just for us!
 

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It happened to me in the 90's. Oxford->Culham. The driver missed both Culham & Appleford and left us at Didcot. The driver of the next Oxford service kindly agreed to put an extra stop at Culham even though he wasn't scheduled to do so.
 

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G'day

I used to quite often miss Turnham Green on the Picc in the evening when I was scheduled to stop, and in the morning stopped when I wasn't scheduled to. :lol:

Thread Drift (sorry mods)

The early morning West Ken-Heathrow was booked all stations Hammersmith-Acton Town via the westbound district and a house right next to Stamford Brook, used to have a woman who slept naked on the top of the bed in summer with the curtains open, most drivers had extended dwell times at Stamford Brook for some reason on early morning trips. :D

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Not stopping has happened to me just twice in thirty odd years.
First time, excursion to Haywards Heath (for Bluebell) and Brighton. Went through HH at full tilt. Signal stopped by the next station for passengers to get a stopper back.
Second time, a Cardiff-Brum failed to stop at Severn Tunnel Jn, I had to get off at Caldicot for the next train back - which wasn't for 2 hours. Fortunately it's only 10 mins walk.


Better than ATW then...their trains often depart early (five minutes or more) and as a result a number of people miss the train. One train crew's answer to seeing people running onto the platform as they heard the train approaching early? Stop the train 200 yards past the station then get the passengers to walk along the track to board. Not best practice, surely?

Inter regionals to Poole used to regularly be let away from Soton/Brockenhurst/Bomo well early (late 80s/early90s) - as much as 10 mins. The excuse was that there was always a Weymouth booked right behind, so passengers could get that instead.
 

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It's a regular occurrence at some TOCs. By regular I mean several times each period.
 

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I've been on a Weymouth to Cardiff service with 37053 & stock and failed to stop at Keynsham, we went through the station & eventually reversed back to Keynsham where 37053 shutdown, thankfully the driver got her restarted.

Many a Railtour I've been on has missed a pickup or set down station, thus getting passengers flapping when the driver opens up a bombs straight through the platform!
 

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Better than ATW then...their trains often depart early (five minutes or more) and as a result a number of people miss the train. One train crew's answer to seeing people running onto the platform as they heard the train approaching early? Stop the train 200 yards past the station then get the passengers to walk along the track to board. Not best practice, surely?

Yeah of course this is all true, any examples with dates and times please?
Dont worry about dropping the staff in it, they will already be sacked!

I have read some rubbish on here but this is the best ever! :roll:


As for the serious question by the OP, it all depends on the drivers Safety of the Line record and how he feels about the situation, I have known drivers be very shaken by a fail to call and others just shrugged it off (this isnt to say they didnt care because they did but it didnt phase them), each one will be taken on its own merit and the appropriate action taken.

There is no automation referring to station stops on any of the trains I drive, it is all done by the driver.
Remember that the next time you are belting up the track in freezing fog at 80mph when its impossible to see more than 5 yards and the train stops at all the stations correctly and on time.;)
 

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Curiously this has never happened to me but the opposite has. Back in Silverlink days I was on a Northampton service that slowed right down for Wolverton before the guard bolted up to the front and spectacularly shouted ''we're not supposed to be stopping here!''

Theres one down train in a morning which isn't timetabled to stop at my station, whereas everything is all stations. Quite often it stops & then pulls away or slows down then proceeds on its way. I suppose the drivers are used to calling everywhere and if they're not on the same duty all week its easy to forget one out of pattern service.
 

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I was on one of the last MML services out of St Pancras a few years back. The train was supposed to stop at Luton. We sped through Luton and continued on all the way to Bedford (which is almost 20 miles away). With a lot of disgruntled passengers on the platform, the TM decided to lie and say Luton was not an advertised stop, ignoring any timetables he was shown or multiple accounts of the information on the CIS.

Unfortunately for him, one of the passengers of the train was from the companies management.. Well you get the rest.

He apologised profusely, but it didn't change the fact it was below 0 and the next train back was 50 mins away!
 

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I was on one of the last MML services out of St Pancras a few years back. The train was supposed to stop at Luton. We sped through Luton and continued on all the way to Bedford (which is almost 20 miles away). With a lot of disgruntled passengers on the platform, the TM decided to lie and say Luton was not an advertised stop, ignoring any timetables he was shown or multiple accounts of the information on the CIS.

Unfortunately for him, one of the passengers of the train was from the companies management.. Well you get the rest.

He apologised profusely, but it didn't change the fact it was below 0 and the next train back was 50 mins away!

Was this the last down train, as trains from Bedford to Luton are every 15 minutes or less, with an express every hour on top of that? This has been the case for a decade or so. What is more, why lie as the driver had clearly made an error? I've used this line almost daily for the last 30 years and only re-call being on one train that failed to call ever, excluding trains that skidded by with wheels locked!

When I was on the footplate, I failed to call at one station ever, and that was because when I got there it was on fire. Stopped at the next signal and called it in. Didn't have radios then on 47s
 

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When I was on the footplate, I failed to call at one station ever, and that was because when I got there it was on fire. Stopped at the next signal and called it in. Didn't have radios then on 47s

Feeble excuse. :p
 

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Was this the last down train, as trains from Bedford to Luton are every 15 minutes or less, with an express every hour on top of that? This has been the case for a decade or so. What is more, why lie as the driver had clearly made an error? I've used this line almost daily for the last 30 years and only re-call being on one train that failed to call ever, excluding trains that skidded by with wheels locked!

When I was on the footplate, I failed to call at one station ever, and that was because when I got there it was on fire. Stopped at the next signal and called it in. Didn't have radios then on 47s

It was a while ago but I can guarantee it certainly happened. I believe that the driver may have forgotten as he did begin to slow down but the started to speed up just before the station. There was no problems at the station which would have prevented him stopping there.

It was the last service and I believe it was on a weekend so there may have been engineering works limiting capacity. Certainly wasn't a short wait anyway.

You may not believe me but it happened I'm afraid. I've been using the line since birth, which may not be as long as you but it's still a good 24 years almost. I use it every day to commute to Southwark as well :).
 
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if you really think this is a regular occurrence, I suggest you make a complaint in regard to unsafe working and breaches of the railway rules

The stopping beyond the station and getting the passengers to walk was unique in my experience. It's the leaving early which happens regularly - annoying and disappointing but not necessarily 'unsafe working'.

Yeah of course this is all true, any examples with dates and times please?
Dont worry about dropping the staff in it, they will already be sacked!

I have read some rubbish on here but this is the best ever!

Date and time? Just before midnight, late last year. I'm not surprised you think I'm making it up - but even if I was some sad and lonely idiot who had nothing better to do, it wouldn't occur to me to make up this story because it seems so implausible! As for the pictures of trains leaving early, I will post one as soon as I get home (just after the Bank Hol weekend).
 

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When I was on the footplate, I failed to call at one station ever, and that was because when I got there it was on fire. Stopped at the next signal and called it in. Didn't have radios then on 47s

Oh dear! Where was this? Bet you weren't expecting that?! :D

Heard an interesting tale recently of a service which failed to call at Cosham some years ago. There was a senior manager stood on the platform waiting for the train; no getting away with that one!
 

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Failing to stop was what appeared to be a deliberate internal policy of Central Trains for a few months in 2003. When they had the franchise for services through my parents' local station Market Rasen [MKR], they would not stop the train at the station if there was not enough room on the single-carriage train for more passengers to board.

Conveniently there was usually "not enough room" sometimes when the train was running late and trying to make up time and if trains arrived early, they sometimes departed before the scheduled departure time.

This was only remedied when the local newspaper took up the issue with CT, and This was highly annoying to me as the station is unmanned, has no CIS and trains are only every 2 hours.
 

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And what station was this at? The chances of the guard giving two buzzes 5 minutes early, the driver accepting the two buzzes 5 minutes early, add into that the chance of the guard accepting the tip from a dispatcher at certain stations 5 minutes early. Then allowing passengers to walk along the ballast.

Sorry I don't buy it.

Could it have been the preceding service running very late ?? Seems more likely than a train running 5 mins early.
 

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Date and time? Just before midnight, late last year. I'm not surprised you think I'm making it up.
As for the pictures of trains leaving early, I will post one as soon as I get home (just after the Bank Hol weekend).

Can you PM me the next time it happens and I will look at the departure boards for you.
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Could it have been the preceding service running very late ?? Seems more likely than a train running 5 mins early.

A very good point, I have been driving a train that was ready to leave Waterloo 57 minutes late and when the guard requested a wait of a few minutes to make it RT for the train an hour later we were told to leave, I suppose with everything else going on the 3 minutes made no real difference.
 

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I have been on trains which have travelled through Stanlow & Thornton station at low speed, not bothering to stop if there was nobody wanting to alight or board (which is often the case). All trains are scheduled to stop there - it is not a request stop.

I also remember my attempt at "doing" Godley East before it closed in 1995. Only one train a week was scheduled to stop there and in one direction only. Fortunately I had the foresight to check with the driver at Hadfield that he was going to stop. He said he wasn't as the station was closed. However I showed him the timetable leaflet and the more knowledgable gaurd confirmed that I was right. Fortunately the station gate was open after I alighted. I was once locked in Runcorn station after my delayed train arrived at 1.30 am.
 

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Does this count.......?

Remember being told this story by a 33 basher in the mid 80s....

The first train of the day on the Salisbury to Westbury route failed to stop at Dilton Marsh and ran through to Westbury. On arrival the driver was quizzed as to why he hadn't stopped. Reply 'It wasn't there'. Apparantly the platform had been stolen in the night
 
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