Train hits buffers at Preston (01/04)

[QueensCurve]

According to the North East Sectional Appendix (NW4001 002) Platform 3C is 75m long so plenty of room for a 69m long train and no need to go right up to the buffers!

Shome mishtake, shurely.

 

[Ianno87]

You have to go in tight to get inside the starting signal, the SA shows the actual length, not the available length, both bays are a very tight squeeze with a 185 so I guess a 3 car 158 won't be much different?

I'm surprised one doesn't have trouble seeing the starter signal in 3C from the front cab of a 158; the signal is mounted on the right hand side, with the end gangway possibly hindering the view.

 

[Crossover]

Many thanks for that.

I had long wondered what they were for and whether in fact they might provide an additional warning to the driver that he was approaching a buffer stop. cf the "stick shaker" in passenger aircraft.

This old thread may be of interest
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=33484

 

[neilb62]

Is the train removed from the platform now?

Long gone, the buffers had been rebuilt when I looked at 09.00 this morning...

 

[najaB]

I had long wondered what they were for and whether in fact they might provide an additional warning to the driver that he was approaching a buffer stop. cf the "stick shaker" in passenger aircraft.

I'm sure that is an incidental benefit.

 

[GW43125]

I'm surprised one doesn't have trouble seeing the starter signal in 3C from the front cab of a 158; the signal is mounted on the right hand side, with the end gangway possibly hindering the view.

Isn't there an off indicator nearby to make it easier for the driver to see? Or am I thinking of somewhere else? There are certainly a few at Crewe.

 

[455driver]

Many thanks for that.

I had long wondered what they were for and whether in fact they might provide an additional warning to the driver that he was approaching a buffer stop. cf the "stick shaker" in passenger aircraft.

It is also done to little used cross overs (the one from Down to up at Dawlish Warren has it) so its not unique to approaching buffer stops.

 

[boing_uk]

It is also done to little used cross overs (the one from Down to up at Dawlish Warren has it) so its not unique to approaching buffer stops.

Indeed. The approach to this crossing also has the same treatment.

 

[tsr]

Isn't there an off indicator nearby to make it easier for the driver to see? Or am I thinking of somewhere else? There are certainly a few at Crewe.

In such circumstances the usual practice would be for a co-acting signal to be provided, which displays the same colour aspects as the main signal (examples can be seen at Crystal Palace and London Bridge); for the driver to be advised, as part of essential route knowledge, to change their position in the cab in order to read the correct signal (unlikely, in my experience); for the driver to seek clarification with the signaller; or for the platform to be limited to trains of a certain length.

Off indicators would normally be provided some way further down the platform, and are generally used for dispatch by crew or station staff. They don't necessarily render all the possible signal aspects, as they only "indicate" limited information (off/on) about the signal's state, and as such they are only usually permitted to be used for dispatch instead of driving.

 

[Zoidberg]

The RAIB has announced that a Safety Digest will be published.

From https://www.gov.uk/government/news/buffer-stop-collision-preston

Passenger train collided with buffer stops, Preston , Lancashire, 1 April 2017.

At around 14:50 hrs on 1 April, a passenger train stuck the buffer stops in platform 3C at Preston station. The train was travelling at around 6 mph (10 km/h) and several passengers suffered minor injuries.

We have undertaken a preliminary examination into the circumstances surrounding this accident. Having assessed the evidence which has been gathered to date, we have decided to publish a safety digest.

The safety digest will shortly be made available on our website.