Train guard swearing ?

[yorksrob]

It does make me laugh. There are sections of society who will lap up any amount of violence and sex in tv and film, yet get ridiculously over exercised about the casual use of naughty words. The employee in the OP was merely expressing in fruity language to a colleague that he didn‘t want to be fannying around. If you can‘t cope with this, get a grip.

 

[transmanche]

Same difference; it's an incident that is not in the public interest as it is potentially damaging to someone's job.

I got confused between this and the "inappropriate announcement" thread.

In this case, I don't think any individual staff member (or even a location) has been identified.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

I work with someone who swears a massive amount. She's lovely, and great at her job and would never do it in front of people who weren't workmates. You know you're friends when she refers to you as a ****!

 

[badger1badger]

It does make me laugh. There are sections of society who will lap up any amount of violence and sex in tv and film, yet get ridiculously over exercised about the casual use of naughty words. The employee in the OP was merely expressing in fruity language to a colleague that he didn‘t want to be fannying around. If you can‘t cope with this, get a grip.

I really don't think f@££ing is fruity language ! Do you ?
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And presumably those who occupy the morale high ground and believe that staff who let a swear word slip out in public should be disciplined, no matter what, will be equally happy to see those many more passengers who swear directly at staff prosecuted under section 5 public order act?

Just saying, like

Not taking the moral ground - but is it right - NO ...... Just saying

 

[dcsprior]

The employee in the OP was merely expressing in fruity language to a colleague that he didn‘t want to be fannying around. If you can‘t cope with this, get a grip.

I really don't think f@££ing is fruity language ! Do you ?

badger1badger - it may help if you could clarify what the '@££' in the above (and the '@@£' in your original post) stands for:

• I had assumed it as 'art' as its the same number of characters, and the most visually similar
• yorksrob has assumed that it is 'anny'
• it could conceivably be 'uck'

There is a fair bit of difference between these. If it is 'art' then as I said in post 54 I don't thnik this is even considered to be a swearword any more

 

[LowLevel]

It's a minor slip, and it's easy to forget where you are. It's one thing to suggest that standards are slipping but railwaymen have sworn like troopers for 200 years and it's only fairly recently that a foot has been put down on it.

I try my best not to but occasionally you forget someone can hear you (certain train cabs are a swine for that) and it slips out.

The only way to deal with it, if it is worthy of reporting, is for said guard to sling anyone off who swears on their train, even if only in conversation with their friends if overheard, for causing offence - it has to go both ways.

 

[DaveNewcastle]

I work with someone who swears a massive amount. She's lovely, and great at her job and would never do it in front of people who weren't workmates. You know you're friends when she refers to you as a ****!

That reminds me of a Canadian single father I knew and admired . . . and who swore a lot. He worked long hard hours but always managed to spend time with the children before they went to school and in the evenings - he'd never swear in front of them. I once passed him while he was busy at work and he grunted, "what the f... do you want, you turkey?"
The man I was with said "He must like you. He doesn't speak to the rest of us".

 

[yorksrob]

badger1badger - it may help if you could clarify what the '@££' in the above (and the '@@£' in your original post) stands for:

• I had assumed it as 'art' as its the same number of characters, and the most visually similar
• yorksrob has assumed that it is 'anny'
• it could conceivably be 'uck'

There is a fair bit of difference between these. If it is 'art' then as I said in post 54 I don't thnik this is even considered to be a swearword any more

Actually, I assume the guard in the OP said something rather more naughty than what I said. I chose my word to express what the guard was saying without using the language itself

 

[badger1badger]

I got confused between this and the "inappropriate announcement" thread.

In this case, I don't think any individual staff member (or even a location) has been identified.

It is not fair to name the station or describe the employee or the TOC - it was a discussion topic to get a response and for people to give their view.
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Actually, I assume the guard in the OP said something rather more naughty than what I said. I chose my word to express what the guard was saying without using the language itself

It was UCK Rob so a little bit more than say fruity

 

[yorksrob]

It was UCK Rob so a little bit more than say fruity

Still no biggie for me though.

 

[Greenback]

Nor me, but I accept it is for some people.

My mother would have been horrified by hearing it a few years ago. Now she doesn't bothered at all, since she started playing darts in her local pub.

I'm not sure this is because she has heard it so often that she doesn't notice any more, or because the word is generally regarded as less offensive than it used to be. Probably a bit of both.

 

[badger1badger]

I think we have all agreed that this is wrong, maybe if train guards are on this forum it is a warning shot across the bows, it may not be discussed on a rail forum next time - and the employee may be in a disciplinary.

I would not report but others may do

Anyway time for Sunday lunch and a few beers

 

[Rhondda Rudie]

Quote from a railway supervisor in the original Taking Of Pelham 123-

"How can you run a railroad without f***ing swearing".

 

[fowler9]

I really couldn't care less if people swear in the work place, as long as they don't do it as part of an announcement or actually at someone. I was going to ask who decides what words are offensive anyway but I do find some words offensive myself, normally those referring to people by race or sexuality. Body parts and bodily functions I'm not bothered about although there is a time and a place.

It isn't easy at the best of times though. I work on a call centre and was listening to a customer explaining something really bad that had happened. I said "You're joking" in a sympathetic way (And I genuinely was sympathetic) and got hell on earth off the customer saying I was accusing them of joking. It ended up going to a manager who had a right time explaining that I wasn't accusing them of joking. Some people. Ha ha.

 

[ANorthernGuard]

Personally I think this tread is a load of b*****ks

(Sorry couldn't resist)

 

[yorksrob]

Personally I think this tread is a load of b*****ks

(Sorry couldn't resist)

I understand there was a famous court case involving a popular beat combo from the late 1970‘s which established that that particular word wasn‘t a profanity.

 

[Anvil1984]

I think we have all agreed that this is wrong, maybe if train guards are on this forum it is a warning shot across the bows, it may not be discussed on a rail forum next time - and the employee may be in a disciplinary.

I would not report but others may do

Anyway time for Sunday lunch and a few beers

How patronising to the Rail Staff on here

 

[fowler9]

Unprofessional... Yes

Sackable offence... Not in a million years.

 

[Maxfly]

Wow, 8 pages for that! Seeing as I have wasted valuable time reading this thread and am still left wondering how little must you have in life to start a thread, to enable you to publicly ponder whether to complain about a guard swearing. I will waste several seconds of yours while you read this post.

 

[zn1]

firstly guards no longer exist...that job title went out over 20 years ago and was replaced by the trainman grade...

now i hear about a railwayman swearing....i would never have thought it possible in todays climate.

punishments will include 20 lashes, a forced appearance on the one show and of course 10 years of 12 hour shifts on the windsor shuttles at slough..

trainmen conductors, guards are human...

 

[Blindtraveler]

Not going to trol through all umpteen gazilion posts on here but I actually dont blame any member of staff for wanting to let off a bit of steam and have a good curse at noute in particular. I couldnt, even if fit and able do a guards job, too stressfull and so many things make it such - anyboddy on the 11:05 XC Voyager X EDB this morning will have witnessed a prime example!↲
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Off topic, thats us at the end of March and thats my first voyager of 2014! *is smug*

 

[Beveridges]

I used to swear at abusive passengers from time to time, especially drunks. Never came to any bother for it from managers.

 

[Blindtraveler]

And I'll bet you got those formentioned pax under controll when they ralized you wernt someone they could take the mick out of.↲

 

[Beveridges]

Usually. But if the swearing failed to get them under control, a quick call to the BTP to remove them from the station certainly did.

 

[LowLevel]

firstly guards no longer exist...that job title went out over 20 years ago and was replaced by the trainman grade...

now i hear about a railwayman swearing....i would never have thought it possible in todays climate.

punishments will include 20 lashes, a forced appearance on the one show and of course 10 years of 12 hour shifts on the windsor shuttles at slough..

trainmen conductors, guards are human...

Depends how you look at it - my job title is something different, but my job role according to the rulebook is 'guard' still! Certainly when speaking to signal boxes etc it's 'guard of xxxx' speaking, they don't care what random job title the company assigns!

 

[Blindtraveler]

thats refreshing - I had always been under the impression that you started such communications by informing them that you were the onboard train customer service management representative which, if said slowly enough acted as a bedtime story for the poor sod on the other end and a reason for the TOC to chuck delay repay around Joking aside, guard is good, lets bring it back!↲

 

[Starmill]

I've had:

"Oh, this one [his train] is always full of d***heads!" - meh, he was bang on; awful journey!

 

[Flamingo]

One of the "How dare you swear back at me" brigade once sent in a complaint about someone I know. The conversation in the office went -
Manager - "He says you called him a prick?"
Guard - "I never did - he must be a mind reader"

 

[alastair]

firstly guards no longer exist...that job title went out over 20 years ago and was replaced by the trainman grade...

now i hear about a railwayman swearing....i would never have thought it possible in todays climate.

punishments will include 20 lashes, a forced appearance on the one show and of course 10 years of 12 hour shifts on the windsor shuttles at slough..

trainmen conductors, guards are human...

The job title certainly seem to still exist on SWT:

Train Guards

Looking after the safety and comfort of our customers on our trains is the responsibility of our Train Guards. It’s a job where no two days are the same and no two problems alike, so there’s always something challenging happening.
Train guards ensure that the on-train environment is safe and comfortable. They walk the carriages, answer questions and give information. Train Guards make announcements over the public address system, keeping our customers informed about arrivals and connections and lead the response to any on-train emergency, acting as the central point of contact.
Commercial Train Guards will also check customers' travel documents and sell tickets.
Everything a train guard does is led by one aim: to make travelling with South West Trains an experience people would want to repeat.
Train guards are provided with a comprehensive training programme, which includes rules, operating instructions and customer service skills, as well as exceptional career development opportunities. The train guards salary will increase upon successful completion of the training (approx 4 months after commencement).
This role is classified as safety critical: see here for our safety critical statement and restrictions.
To see if there are any current Train Guard vacancies please use our job search.

 

[455driver]

firstly guards no longer exist...that job title went out over 20 years ago and was replaced by the trainman grade...

Thats odd, I have got my old contract upstairs (signed less than 20 years ago) which states my job title as Guard, I used to announce myself as "the guard" on the train, the rule book still classes me as a guard, but apparently I was never a guard, how odd!

As for your punishment, excellent choice, and as a further deterrent, if there is a repeat of the swearing they and their family will have to appear on the Jeremy Kyle show, or as I like to call it chav telly!