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LS26BLADE

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Hi all.

Just applied for the East Coast Guard job Leeds.

I currently work in the Insurance industry so have no train experience, does this mean I don't stand a chance?

Can anyone point me in direction of any research I should carry out in the case of me being fortunate to get an interview, and what the interview itself is like?

Many thanks in advance.
 
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Hi all.

Just applied for the East Coast Guard job Leeds.

I currently work in the Insurance industry so have no train experience, does this mean I don't stand a chance?

Can anyone point me in direction of any research I should carry out in the case of me being fortunate to get an interview, and what the interview itself is like?

Many thanks in advance.

1. reaserch the role
2. research the company
3. emphasise your customer service skills
4. Talk to other guards about their role
5. Search this forum and the internet
 

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Search this forum matey loads of info on here. The careers folder is particularly useful.

I'm sure if you had any specific questions we could help you out but an overview of the role is a little long winded.

There is an overview of my job as a Northern guard on my blog here ( http://mancguard.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/so-what-does-conductor-do-then.html?m=1 )
If that's any help to you.
 

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In your application get the company core values in, dont forget to mention Mrs Jones as well which is a big thing at the minute within EC...that should score you a point or 2.

Mention your ability to manage your own time, you're pretty much left to yourself as a Guard.

Mention DWELL (thats delay), delay minutes is a big deal to any TOC and the fewer of them attributable to you and your company the better so far as they are concerned. Thing about thing you could do to mimimise any delays (managing luggage effectively and keeping doorways clear, a particular problem on HST's, also any assisted passengers and wheelchairs etc)

Basically if you get a copy of the role descriptor for the job then you match up your skills to its person specification, the more ya match the better the chance you have.

Its one of the best jobs in the world......on a good day!!!!
 

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A great deal of it will depend on transferable skills - including but not limited to the following:

1) Customer service
2) Health and safety
3) Working alone
4) Working as part of a team
5) Working unsociable hours/mixed shifts
6) Cash handling
7) Being on long training courses

Standard interviews generally go along the line of 'Tell me a time when...' and you'll have to think of good examples of the above.
 

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If you want to be a guard you will need to think for yourself:roll:

Yes I know and I can, I just thought this was a site where I could gain some pointers. We are all new once ;)
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In your application get the company core values in, dont forget to mention Mrs Jones as well which is a big thing at the minute within EC...that should score you a point or 2.

Mention your ability to manage your own time, you're pretty much left to yourself as a Guard.

Mention DWELL (thats delay), delay minutes is a big deal to any TOC and the fewer of them attributable to you and your company the better so far as they are concerned. Thing about thing you could do to mimimise any delays (managing luggage effectively and keeping doorways clear, a particular problem on HST's, also any assisted passengers and wheelchairs etc)

Basically if you get a copy of the role descriptor for the job then you match up your skills to its person specification, the more ya match the better the chance you have.

Its one of the best jobs in the world......on a good day!!!!

Thankyou. Who's Mrs Jones?
 

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Tom's wife?

Haha....not quite!

Mrs Jones has her own name badge....it says customer! Its all to do with the new internal branding called further together, Mrs Jones basically represents EVERY customer EC carry. The thoery is all that we do is geared up to giving Mrs Jones the perfect journey experiance. I think just mentioning her in your application should be enough to score you a point in the sift, one of the likely Buzz words they will be looking for I should think matey.

Hope that helps.
 

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Yes I know and I can, I just thought this was a site where I could gain some pointers. We are all new once ;)

It is however it will benefit you researching as much as you can yourself, it is best to start with the company website and then extend outwards.
 

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Search this forum matey loads of info on here. The careers folder is particularly useful.

I'm sure if you had any specific questions we could help you out but an overview of the role is a little long winded.

There is an overview of my job as a Northern guard on my blog here ( http://mancguard.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/so-what-does-conductor-do-then.html?m=1 )
If that's any help to you.

It says there that guards need to have knowledge of railway signals and junctions, loops and routes. Why does a gaurd need to know all of this? Surly the driver would be needing this.
 

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It says there that guards need to have knowledge of railway signals and junctions, loops and routes. Why does a gaurd need to know all of this? Surly the driver would be needing this.

The East Coast safety standard for Guards route knowledge states the Guard must be "familier with any route he signs". You need to remember your biggest day to day risk is generally in a station so you need to know those inside out (even the ones we dont stop at)...I had to detrain a MK IV at Potters Bar one night which obviously isnt a normal call for us and had a number of challenges, the main one being the train didnt fit in the platform!

You need to be aware of junctions (particularly high speed ones), loops etc because should the need arise for you to go down to protect you will need to know the highest risk lines to protect first to stop any accident worsening. As for signals you generally need one of those clear at most of our stations to go, the majority of EC booked calls are at stations with a signal present on the platform, you dont need to know what an indication in a theatre box means or a junction indicator....all your concerned with is just is the signal cleared before I start despatch thats all.
 

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The East Coast safety standard for Guards route knowledge states the Guard must be "familier with any route he signs". You need to remember your biggest day to day risk is generally in a station so you need to know those inside out (even the ones we dont stop at)...I had to detrain a MK IV at Potters Bar one night which obviously isnt a normal call for us and had a number of challenges, the main one being the train didnt fit in the platform!

You need to be aware of junctions (particularly high speed ones), loops etc because should the need arise for you to go down to protect you will need to know the highest risk lines to protect first to stop any accident worsening. As for signals you generally need one of those clear at most of our stations to go, the majority of EC booked calls are at stations with a signal present on the platform, you dont need to know what an indication in a theatre box means or a junction indicator....all your concerned with is just is the signal cleared before I start despatch thats all.

Could you describe this for me in more detail? I don't understand since I am kind of amateur with all of this stuff :D
 

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Hi :)

I'm a Guard ('Train Manager', it's all the same thing!) with a long distance operator, similar to what you'll be doing if you're successful. The role of Guard is often thought of as simply being the miserable bloke who goes through clipping tickets. It is, in fact, far more technical than that, and doing the revenue stuff is only one aspect of it - and not the most important one! If you get the job, you can expect about 3 -6 months of training, coaching and shadowing before eventually going out there by yourself. You'll do a lot of exams, which will include the dreaded 'Rules', Personal Track Safety, and then your traction technical stuff (the trains themselves) and finally your route learning exams, one for each part of each route you'll work over. So as you can see, it's rather involved, and that's why Guards sometimes get a bit arsey when people suggest it's just about doing tickets! :D If you are offered the job you'll be sent for a safety critical role medical, which tests to specific standards things like your eyesight, colour vision, hearing, heart function etc as well as a full drug and alcohol screening.

As far as route knowledge goes, you'll be sent out to 'learn' each route you'll work trains over. Essentially, if something goes wrong you are one of the first lines of defence, along with your Driver, and it may fall to you to make the emergency calls and manage the situation. Equally you may see a passing train with something dangerous about it, or an obstruction across an adjacent line, or something/someone frying on the overhead wires. As a Guard you are trained in how to contact the signalman and tell him what he needs to know. That includes the location of the problem and exactly which of the lines (tracks) is affected. So you will go out and learn the names of each railway line (for example the Up and Down Main, Up and Down Relief, etc). You'll need to learn the name of every junction you pass over, any road level crossings, speed limits, whether the lines have electrified wires or rails, names of tunnels and viaducts, and which signal box is in charge of which area, and its boundaries. You'll also need to be able to identify roughly where you are at any given time, and in particular when you're approaching a station.

In stations, you will be responsible for unlocking and locking the train doors, as well as dispatching the train (telling the Driver it is safe to go, essentially), and to do that you need to know things about the station and each platform. Is there a signal for example. If there is, you need to check it isn't red, as if you try and dispatch when it is you'll be in trouble! Will the whole train fit in the platform, and if not how would you safely unlock only the carriages which do fit. Are there staff on the platform to tell you when it's time to go, or is it 'self dispatch'. There are many things you'll need to know, but you soon pick it all up.

'Traction' - i.e. trains - will involve learning all about the areas of each type of train (just the two for East Coast I would presume) that you will be working with. The routine things will be door operation, where all the emergency kit is and how to reset the alarms etc, and there will also be fault-finding. For example if a door fails during a station stop, refuses to open or close, you will be the person expected to know how to safely isolate and secure it. That can be a little stressful if it's half past five on a friday evening and the train has 600 impatient people on it, and other trains are stacking up behind you! There will likely be some climbing about on the dirty bits, learning where various isloating valves are and suchlike.

Personal Track Safety (PTS) is a fairly simple bit of training regarding safe conduct if you have to go down on or near the railway line itself. That could be on a depot or siding, or on the main line somewhere in an emergency or if there's a problem with your train. When you pass it you'll be issued with your PTS card, which every Guard must have, along with a SCWID (Safety Critical Work ID) card, which you also need.

The 'Rules' is a big exam, taking a full day or two with several hundred questions. The railway has a 'Rulebook' which contains the governing regulations for absolutely everything. There are lots of different modules and you will need to be familiar with those which apply to your job. Some of it is rather obscure, some more simple. You'll be fully trained in it all beforehand, but you need to absorb it all and it can be rather brain-frying! That will then crop up every two years for the rest of your career, deep joy!

Don't let that put you off, but do bear in mind that being a Guard is first and foremost about taking safe charge of your train and the people on and around it. If you show an understanding of that, you will be ahead of already. Best of luck!
 
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Couldn't of put it any better myself BestWestern.....so just to clarify "Its what he said!!!!"
 

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Why would guards need to know speed limits ? I mean yes if it's a high speed line roughly what the limit in the area is - on the East Coast 125 is the maximum. But is it important to know for example every single speed change between two stations ? On a line I know it goes 85 - 75 - 85 - 80 - 85 - 90 - 75. All this between two stations.
 

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Would like to thank everyone for all comments it has been useful reading especially the Guard blog and the person who gave detailed description of his job. I've read up on East Coast as a company but could do with finding out their internal values which someone alluded to above.

Hopefully I'll get an interview :)
 

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Why would guards need to know speed limits ? I mean yes if it's a high speed line roughly what the limit in the area is - on the East Coast 125 is the maximum. But is it important to know for example every single speed change between two stations ? On a line I know it goes 85 - 75 - 85 - 80 - 85 - 90 - 75. All this between two stations.

We are likely to be asked for the maximum linespeed on a given stretch when questioned about a route. It's to do with two things; one is the position of safety - it increases on lines at over 100mph, though most would probably suggest the best course of action is to stand as far away as possible regardless! - and it can also be relevant when carrying out emergency protection. If you reach a junction for example, you are required to make a judgement of which way to go with your detonators, and the speed of approaching trains on each route could have an effect on which one you prioritise. Realistically it's pretty superfluous, but we have to have some idea for the sake of passing our exams :)
 

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We are likely to be asked for the maximum linespeed on a given stretch when questioned about a route. It's to do with two things; one is the position of safety - it increases on lines at over 100mph, though most would probably suggest the best course of action is to stand as far away as possible regardless! - and it can also be relevant when carrying out emergency protection. If you reach a junction for example, you are required to make a judgement of which way to go with your detonators, and the speed of approaching trains on each route could have an effect on which one you prioritise. Realistically it's pretty superfluous, but we have to have some idea for the sake of passing our exams :)

True. Line speed knowledge is crucial in determining positions of safety if ever the need for that knowledge arises (e.g emergency evacuation of passengers) so the guard needs to be aware of these. In the area I operate however, I am responsible for the positioning of detonators and protecting the train in the event of break downs and emergencies but the guard still needs to know my duties if ever I become disabled for whatever reason. The guards job is very often a misunderstood role.
 

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True. Line speed knowledge is crucial in determining positions of safety if ever the need for that knowledge arises (e.g emergency evacuation of passengers) so the guard needs to be aware of these. In the area I operate however, I am responsible for the positioning of detonators and protecting the train in the event of break downs and emergencies but the guard still needs to know my duties if ever I become disabled for whatever reason. The guards job is very often a misunderstood role.

The general concept is the same everywhere I guess, that the Guard is there to assist the Driver in protecting, or to do it all if the Driver is 'unavailable' as they say (or 'dead' as most of us would probably put it if the brown stuff hit the blades). Assisting means the Driver goes one way and you go the other, doing it all means protecting in the opposite direction first. A lot of walking if it ever comes to it!

As for route knowledge, the position of safety thing is daft if you ask me, why have two distances for different speeds? Presumably it has something to do with the size of most refuges probably needing to be enlarged at enormous cost if the bigger distance became universal?!
 
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Presumably it has something to do with the size of most refuges probably needing to be enlarged at enormous cost if the bigger distance became universal?!

Probably something to do with the turbulence generated, although I was always told the further away the better.
 

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I have just passed my routes as a guard. You think you pass training when you leave training school but oh no. Everything BestWestern says is 100% true. You need to have a little bit about you to do this course. Fantastic job though and the opportunities are endless. I always ask the guards at our depot if they enjoy it. 1 out of probably 50 said no. Good luck, hope you get in.
 
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