Train driver working hours

[L33mcc]

Hello,

How are hours/pay worked out?

My partners grandad says that even though the pay for my job is contracted at £58,000 after passing training I won’t receive anywhere near that.

He claims that the shifts are likely to be staggered based on rush hours so during quiet periods I won’t be required to work.
So work 8-10 then go home and come back 3-6 for example ?

I thought you would be required to work your 9 hours a day depending on your contracted hours ?

 

[tiptoptaff]

Hello,

How are hours/pay worked out?

My partners grandad says that even though the pay for my job is contracted at £58,000 after passing training I won’t receive anywhere near that.

He claims that the shifts are likely to be staggered based on rush hours so during quiet periods I won’t be required to work.
So work 8-10 then go home and come back 3-6 for example ?

I thought you would be required to work your 9 hours a day depending on your contracted hours ?

He's talking out of his Jacksie

Driver rostered are averaged out and some weeks you'll work 40hrs some it'll be 20.

But you will get a £58,000 salary, if that is what your TOC or FOC pays. Plus overtime and Sundays if they're outside the week.

We don't do split shifts either.

 

[43066]

Hello,

How are hours/pay worked out?

My partners grandad says that even though the pay for my job is contracted at £58,000 after passing training I won’t receive anywhere near that.

He claims that the shifts are likely to be staggered based on rush hours so during quiet periods I won’t be required to work.
So work 8-10 then go home and come back 3-6 for example ?

I thought you would be required to work your 9 hours a day depending on your contracted hours ?

Complete and utter rubbish! Ask him what else he’s an expert on...

As above, no split shifts, however you will work earlies and lates to cover the peaks. Most depots have all day shifts which cover both peaks. Assuming a 35 hour week, you will average 8:45 per shift times four days.

 

[221129]

My partners grandad says that even though the pay for my job is contracted at £58,000 after passing training I won’t receive anywhere near that.

This is the only true bit (Due to Tax, National Insurance, Pension and any other deductibles.) Unless you do the overtime but you still pay Tax and NI on that too.

 

[notadriver]

About 40k after deductions.

 

[SlimJim1694]

Come on folks, are we really having to explain the concept of taxes and pensions to someone now? This post has got to be a wind up!

 

[driver9000]

Your partners Grandad either doesn't know what he's talking about or his information is decades out of date. Tax, NI and any other deductions (BRASS for example) will knock off the headline £58k salary but that's the same in any job. We don't work split shifts and you'll work whatever hours the rostered job is for which is between 5 and 10 hours where I work. You will generally have the opportunity to increase your income through rest day working.

 

[Grafter1900]

Obvious troll, who cant get past the application stage.

 

[joystick]

My Grandad said people are nuts

 

[Mb1234]

After 5 days of driving and Today is your last before the weekend, If you have driven 9 hours already but require 20 mins to get to the next stop due to some delays, do you carry on your shift. You can move in 15 mins so you Will be 35 mins over your max hours. If you terminate it will cause 60 mins extra delay?

 

[Mb1234]

After 5 days of driving and Today is your last before the weekend, If you have driven 9 hours already but require 20 mins to get to the next stop due to some delays, do you carry on your shift. You can move in 15 mins so you Will be 35 mins over your max hours. If you terminate it will cause 60 mins extra delay?

To find another driver*

 

[43066]

After 5 days of driving and Today is your last before the weekend, If you have driven 9 hours already but require 20 mins to get to the next stop due to some delays, do you carry on your shift. You can move in 15 mins so you Will be 35 mins over your max hours. If you terminate it will cause 60 mins extra delay?

I can’t really follow the above, but you have to finish your last journey even if it goes beyond you shift finishing time. Overtime is payable after 15 or 20 mins at most places.

 

[ExRes]

After 5 days of driving and Today is your last before the weekend, If you have driven 9 hours already but require 20 mins to get to the next stop due to some delays, do you carry on your shift. You can move in 15 mins so you Will be 35 mins over your max hours. If you terminate it will cause 60 mins extra delay?

If you decided to terminate your train at the next stop how would you intend to get to your depot / home? plus the fact that 12 hours is your max not 9

 

[ComUtoR]

You can move in 15 mins so you Will be 35 mins over your max hours.

My 'maximum' hours are 12. We can work 12hrs before they must relieve you.

If you terminate it will cause 60 mins extra delay?

Firstly, I couldn't give a fudge about delays. Secondly my record delay attribution was over 900 minutes.

@Mb1234 there is much more to 'maximum' and 'minimum' turn lengths.

 

[the sniper]

First rule, don't believe everything you hear in the messroom. Second rule, don't believe everything you hear from your partner's grandad...

I wouldn't be surprised if this Grandad is off the buses. All sorts of shenanigans seem to go on over that side, which the workers seem to be entirely accepting of.

 

[choochoochoo]

He claims that the shifts are likely to be staggered based on rush hours so during quiet periods I won’t be required to work.
So work 8-10 then go home and come back 3-6 for example ?

I've done this but they paid me all 12 hours to do it !!! Wasn't going to hang around in a mess room for 5 hours. Was spare that day, and felt like being 'helpful'

 

[Manda2194]

Hi guys. Ive always wondered about what happens when you go over your allocated hours. I remember it coming up in one of the SJT tests. You have been stuck at a signal in the middle of nowhere and go over your allocated hours was the scenario.

From a practical perspective how does that work and how does the driver get to the train it's in the middle of nowhere.

 

[221129]

Hi guys. Ive always wondered about what happens when you go over your allocated hours. I remember it coming up in one of the SJT tests. You have been stuck at a signal in the middle of nowhere and go over your allocated hours was the scenario.

From a practical perspective how does that work and how does the driver get to the train it's in the middle of nowhere.

You continue to the next station.

 

[driver9000]

Hi guys. Ive always wondered about what happens when you go over your allocated hours. I remember it coming up in one of the SJT tests. You have been stuck at a signal in the middle of nowhere and go over your allocated hours was the scenario.

From a practical perspective how does that work and how does the driver get to the train it's in the middle of nowhere.

Notify control and work to the next available relief point and then pass or taxi back. You've got to use your brain on the ground and it's often a case of give and take when it comes to service disruption.

 

[43066]

Hi guys. Ive always wondered about what happens when you go over your allocated hours. I remember it coming up in one of the SJT tests. You have been stuck at a signal in the middle of nowhere and go over your allocated hours was the scenario.

From a practical perspective how does that work and how does the driver get to the train it's in the middle of nowhere.

You continue to the next station.

Basically you have to stay with the train until you either reach your destination, or a point where you can be relieved.

A guy at my last place was 15 mins away from finishing, on his last trip, when someone appeared on an over bridge, threatening to commit suicide. Lines were blocked, the juice was switched off, and he was still sat there seven hours later when the guy was eventually talked down!

 

[theironroad]

Not sure why people are being so hard on the op, it's a genuine enough question and person could be young without much work experience let alone personal finance.

As others have said there are no split shifts I'm aware of in driving grade as such, though there are some part timers but that's different. Despite a couple of companies trying to bring in split shifts, that particular cancer has been resisted by the driving grade so far.

As to terminating your train at next station because of lateness, depending where you do that could leave you in an awful lot of bother with your manager and network rail.

 

[Manda2194]

Basically you have to stay with the train until you either reach your destination, or a point where you can be relieved.

A guy at my last place was 15 mins away from finishing, on his last trip, when someone appeared on an over bridge, threatening to commit suicide. Lines were blocked, the juice was switched off, and he was still sat there seven hours later when the guy was eventually talked down!

Wow thats crazy. Did they pay him his overtime?

 

[4F89]

Even when delayed in finishing, your following shift will adjust to fit, sometimes you can work an extra hour and end up getting the next day off with pay to make up for it. Delays are a bonus for me, extra cash for near zero graft

 

[driver9000]

Wow thats crazy. Did they pay him his overtime?

Paid until you get back. I was once out on a relatively straight forward job of about 8 hours which turned into a 15 hour slog thanks to OLE issues. I was paid the time, sent home in a taxi and came in later the next day as I had breached the 12 hour rest period.

 

[Manda2194]

Thanks guys. In terms of relief point would that be tho the nearest station with a depot so another driver can wait?

 

[43066]

Thanks guys. In terms of relief point would that be tho the nearest station with a depot so another driver can wait?

Generally, yes. Or they might send the relief driver in a taxi to the nearest station, if there’s no depot at the same location.

 

[Stigy]

This thread has to be one of the strangest I’ve seen here....and there’s been a few.

 

[ComUtoR]

Wow thats crazy. Did they pay him his overtime?

Until relatively recently; my TOC would NOT have paid you the overtime :/

 

[43066]

Until relatively recently; my TOC would NOT have paid you the overtime :/

I thought it had always been overtime after 20 mins where you are?!

 

[ComUtoR]

I thought it had always been overtime after 20 mins where you are?!

Do you remember 'committed hours' ? Things like late running were added to your committed hours total rather than paid. Committed hours are gone but certainly not forgotten