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kmw89

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For a very long time I have wanted to be a train driver. I put my name down for job alerts around 9 years ago before I had children. I finally got a job alert and have been through the initial application process and have my assessments early next year. I feel so happy about this but I now don’t know if it’s going to work with my current lifestyle.

I have 2 young children and I currently work full time from home with the odd office day. I am here every morning and every evening for them. I’ve never missed an event and even though they go to childcare whilst I work, I pick them up ASAP. My partner also works full time and is out of the house from 6.30am-6pm.

The TOC is going to be First GWR. How are they generally with working parents? What kind of shift pattern can I expect? Is there a way to have an arrangement of consistent shifts so that childcare can be arranged? My partner is willing to adjust his work for me to be able to do this but it’s not something that will be quick. He will have to go from being employed to self employed and that obviously takes time as he’ll need customers.

Thank you in advance for any help!
 
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For a very long time I have wanted to be a train driver. I put my name down for job alerts around 9 years ago before I had children. I finally got a job alert and have been through the initial application process and have my assessments early next year. I feel so happy about this but I now don’t know if it’s going to work with my current lifestyle.

I have 2 young children and I currently work full time from home with the odd office day. I am here every morning and every evening for them. I’ve never missed an event and even though they go to childcare whilst I work, I pick them up ASAP. My partner also works full time and is out of the house from 6.30am-6pm.

The TOC is going to be First GWR. How are they generally with working parents? What kind of shift pattern can I expect? Is there a way to have an arrangement of consistent shifts so that childcare can be arranged? My partner is willing to adjust his work for me to be able to do this but it’s not something that will be quick. He will have to go from being employed to self employed and that obviously takes time as he’ll need customers.

Thank you in advance for any help!
I’m a train driver and parent of 2 (5&7) and you won’t be treated any differently to any other employee to be honest. You can try and swap shifts if you prefer earlies or lates. Holidays are rostered to you so it’s a case of having to try and swap for school holidays. Leave over Christmas is done via a draw so you’re not guaranteed leave. You will be given a roster 6 months in advance to book childcare. The railway is a 7 day a week gig so shifts and weekends are inevitable
 

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I’ll don’t have any family responsibility but I really don’t know how drivers with families manage it.

My recent run of shifts were in the 3am - 12pm range and I find that a challenge.

If I had to deal with kids, wanting to spend time with them and the wife and trying to get enough sleep then I’d have to seriously consider a job change.

Many people do it, but hats off to them, I couldn’t.

For me this job involves a lot of sacrifices. I’m an avid gym goer and have been all my life, but I’ve noticed a loss of muscle and strength since I started the job and I think its partly down to the constant sleep pattern change and also because some days I’m just too tired to work out.

However I’ve been able to afford some of the best holidays I’ve ever had, you get a good amount of leave and 4 days off in a row.

So it really has its ups and downs.

The facts are you will see your family less because your sleep time will often be their awake time.
 

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Great Western I think have a fixed rest day pattern similar to Southern (see this post for an idea: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/southern-rail.212140/#post-4899152)
So you would have at least one (and mostly two) weekdays off every week.


[I think GWR get flat rate for a Sunday though, so ignore the rate of pay I mention that Southern get for Sundays.]

Someone I work with swaps with another driver to do AMs all the time, although there are normally more people wanting to swap to AMs than PMs. She is accommodated to having every other Saturday off, which makes her actually at work slightly more Saturdays than the rest of us, as her husband works a shift pattern of days and nights with fixed days off , but repeats at a different number of weeks to our 'pattern'.
Despite working more Saturdays it was a pain for her to get accommodated.
Throw in very early starts and being allocated to job off 'spare'/'as required' where you can be moved +/-3 hours and sometimes she has to have her childminder stay over the night as if her husband is on nights and she's at work at 04:30...

Difficult!

What depot are you looking at? Perhaps someone will have more info about start and finish times, how they are spread - for example where I work the earliest is just before 4am and only one AM duty is after 7am (and not by much!).
Other depots can have starts spread out into late morning (St Pancras at EMR) springs to mind.

Some depots have an evening 'spare'/'as required' where you could end up being allocated a late afternoon, but maybe a night shift.
Some depots don't have nights.
 
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I’m a train driver and parent of 2 (5&7) and you won’t be treated any differently to any other employee to be honest. You can try and swap shifts if you prefer earlies or lates. Holidays are rostered to you so it’s a case of having to try and swap for school holidays. Leave over Christmas is done via a draw so you’re not guaranteed leave. You will be given a roster 6 months in advance to book childcare. The railway is a 7 day a week gig so shifts and weekends are inevitable
The shifts & weekends aren’t the issue for me and I don’t expect to be treated differently but knowing when I’m working in a reasonable amount of time is important. 6 months of rosters would be great. I suppose most people who don’t have kids, don’t want schools holidays off though so are always willing to swap?

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I’ll don’t have any family responsibility but I really don’t know how drivers with families manage it.

My recent run of shifts were in the 3am - 12pm range and I find that a challenge.

If I had to deal with kids, wanting to spend time with them and the wife and trying to get enough sleep then I’d have to seriously consider a job change.

Many people do it, but hats off to them, I couldn’t.

For me this job involves a lot of sacrifices. I’m an avid gym goer and have been all my life, but I’ve noticed a loss of muscle and strength since I started the job and I think its partly down to the constant sleep pattern change and also because some days I’m just too tired to work out.

However I’ve been able to afford some of the best holidays I’ve ever had, you get a good amount of leave and 4 days off in a row.

So it really has its ups and downs.

The facts are you will see your family less because your sleep time will often be their awake time.
Thank you for your response!

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Great Western I think have a fixed rest day pattern similar to Southern (see this post for an idea: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/southern-rail.212140/#post-4899152)
So you would have at least one (and mostly two) weekdays off every week.


[I think GWR get flat rate for a Sunday though, so ignore the rate of pay I mention that Southern get for Sundays.]

Someone I work with swaps with another driver to do AMs all the time, although there are normally more people wanting to swap to AMs than PMs. She is accommodated to having every other Saturday off, which makes her actually at work slightly more Saturdays than the rest of us, as her husband works a shift pattern of days and nights with fixed days off , but repeats at a different number of weeks to our 'pattern'.
Despite working more Saturdays it was a pain for her to get accommodated.
Throw in very early starts and being allocated to job off 'spare'/'as required' where you can be moved +/-3 hours and sometimes she has to have her childminder stay over the night as if her husband is on nights and she's at work at 04:30...

Difficult!

What depot are you looking at? Perhaps someone will have more info about start and finish times, how they are spread - for example where I work the earliest is just before 4am and only one AM duty is after 7am (and not by much!).
Other depots can have starts spread out into late morning (St Pancras at EMR) springs to mind.

Some depots have an evening 'spare'/'as required' where you could end up being allocated a late afternoon, but maybe a night shift.
Some depots don't have nights.
I’m looking at Bristol.

I’m erring more on the side of this career change is not going to be suitable for me but then don’t want to regret not going for it. I’m at least going to do the assessments. I might not even pass yet.

My partner is willing to go self employed and work around me. He’s always said that he’d love to be at home more. I’d happily work afternoons / evenings if it meant I was there during the day. I could sleep whilst they are at childcare / school. Probably just won’t work out like that though!
 
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Difference is that I’ve been on the railway since I was 16 and am now 56. My whole career has been mainly shift work and I arrange my life totally around the job. Never wanted children so that’s never come into the equation. In a career like train driving it’s no good wanting a happy family life balance as it really doesn’t exist. Money is damn good though :p
 

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Difference is that I’ve been on the railway since I was 16 and am now 56. My whole career has been mainly shift work and I arrange my life totally around the job. Never wanted children so that’s never come into the equation. In a career like train driving it’s no good wanting a happy family life balance as it really doesn’t exist. Money is damn good though :p
Is it that a happy family life doesn’t exist for train drivers, or it just doesn’t exist for you? It must be possible else nobody would do it!

Money is good but money won’t buy my kids happiness or my love so I have to put them first. I can just play my train simulator games
 

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Is it that a happy family life doesn’t exist for train drivers, or it just doesn’t exist for you? It must be possible else nobody would do it!

Money is good but money won’t buy my kids happiness or my love so I have to put them first. I can just play my train simulator games

There are certainly train drivers out there with young families, but I don't think you'll find anyone who says a) it's easy or b) it is possible to get to 100% of events/bedtimes/achievements. That's the nature of the shift work and the relatively extreme nature of the very early starts / very late finishes and rostered annual leave.

You can make it work, but there's definitely going to be sacrifices. Ultimately it's a personal question to you and your family and what it will mean. This thread might also help you a little where some discuss the realities of the job.
 

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Shift work is shift work.

You'll miss out of events, occasions, gatherings unless you can swap with someone else.

Doesn't matter what industry you're in, that's just the nature of shift work.

I'm not saying it's easy especially on yourself, but if you have an understanding family/friends I can't see why you couldn't make it work.
 

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Another thing to point out with shift is that if you have never done it then it’s easy to compare it to a 9-5.

So you may think that once you get home from a shift you can spend X amount of hours doing this that or the other like you would returning at home at 5pm and maybe be doing chores or spending quality time with family until 10/11pm.

The reality is, or at least it’s like this for me is when I work a very early AM start I may be home for 8 or 9am, which sounds great. But I’m often wrecked and either go straight to bed, or I may not be able to sleep because I’m full of caffeine but then I feel too exhausted to do anything of any merit.

It’s not just the awkward start times, it’s the ever changing start time. It can at times feel like constant jet lag.
 

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My partner is willing to go self employed and work around me. He’s always said that he’d love to be at home more. I’d happily work afternoons / evenings if it meant I was there during the day. I could sleep whilst they are at childcare / school. Probably just won’t work out like that though!

It won’t work like that. More likely a week of earlies followed by a week of lates, and you’ll find it hard to get rid of lates as earlies are more popular. Lates can also mean booking on at 1300 or so and finishing at 2300 so, you won’t always have much of a morning. You can also expect to be working two out of every three weekends at most places.

To be honest I wouldn’t recommend it based on what you’ve described.
 

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We earn the money but not without sacrifice. Up to individuals to decide whether it's worth it. I've a 7 year old girl I see part time. I flutter between wanting to provide the best life for her or spend more time with her. To be quite honest, I don't know what the right answer is or will be.
 

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The shifts & weekends aren’t the issue for me and I don’t expect to be treated differently but knowing when I’m working in a reasonable amount of time is important. 6 months of rosters would be great. I suppose most people who don’t have kids, don’t want schools holidays off though so are always willing to swap?
Rosters typically run May to December and December to May, so in May you'll know your days off and most shifts for six months. Things to note about that though:

The May starting roster might not be received until March/April, and likewise the December roster might not be received until October/November. So while the roster is valid for six months when you first get it, it's not a rolling six months in advance. As your rest day pattern can be changed at roster changes, you will get round to March/April and not yet know for certain what your days off will be over the Summer, and likewise you will get to October/November and still not be able to 100% guarantee what your days off around Christmas will be. Even where the rest day pattern stays the same going into the next roster period, shifts themselves often change and therefore move around, so a week of predicted earlies around Christmas could become a week of lates with not a massive amount of notice, for example.

A week of a particular shift type isn't a steady 0500-1400 all week. It will often look more like: Monday 0612-1531, Tuesday 0405-1257, Wednesday 0357-1147, Thursday 0600-1430.

That Thursday above might be a 'Spare', which means you can be moved +/- 2/3 hours and have the shift lengthened as enforced overtime (varies between company). You will typically have one or two of these a week and these are used to cover annual leave, sickness, etc. Typically you will only have 36-48 hours notice, so it will only be sometime on Tuesday when the 'daily amendment sheets' are published that you will find out what you have been moved to on Thursday. So with a +/- 3 hours movement, your Thursday will likely therefore go from your 0600-1430 'Spare' to potentially a 0315-1207 job or completely the other way to a 0900-1823 job.

Weekends are often when engineering work occurs and as a result with lines closed/reduced in capacity, some/most/all jobs will be cancelled and reissued taking into account what is open. Your rostered timings/hours can therefore be essentially ignored to an extent as if your booked duty took you into those works it's not always a case that some trains in your shift will be cancelled. You will likely get an amended/special job with different start/finish times and potentially also increased in length as enforced overtime. So your lunchtime finish Saturday may well become, say, a 1500 one. Such changes can also occur to cater for large events where extra trains are run/services amended, for example horse racing at some racecourses, important sporting fixtures at key stadiums, key events such as large festivals, etc.

Public Holidays and the like are normal working days, so if you are rostered to be a 0327 start on New Years Day then that will still be the time you are expected at work, even though the train service usually starts up later than a normal weekday on Public Holidays. Because the train service will typically run to a weekend timetable on Public Holidays, you become 'Spare' and won't know until that two or so days before what you have picked up. So the roster might have you as a nice short and early finishing rostered 0447-1212 job that Monday, but you will likely be moved to something resembling a Saturday turn that day, so probably on Friday you will find out your Bank Holiday Monday job has changed from 0447-1212 to 0602-1527. Bang go any family Bank Holiday Monday afternoon plans, with only two days notice!

Similar to the above, the week between Christmas and New Year will often be a Saturday timetable, so you can essentially ignore your roster that week and you will likely be moved to different start and finish times every day.

While there are of course drivers who don't have kids so will likely want to swap if they get allocated leave during school holidays, there are plenty of drivers who will want their school holidays. Therefore those drivers wanting to swap out of school holidays can afford to pick and choose who they swap with. If your rostered Summer leave is two weeks in October, then you're likely to be an unlikely choice and might struggle to swap that, as they're probably more likely to choose to swap with someone with May/June/September allocated weeks.

I've lost count of how many colleagues have gone through break ups and divorces. That said, some do make it work. I guess it all depends how you think you and your partner would deal with the above changes, which include many instances of where your six month long roster will regularly change with as little as 36-48 hours notice - not just the 'spares', but particularly also what you think are 'safe' rostered jobs on weekends and bank holidays when engineering works/special events occur etc. You will likely have to miss things such as school plays, parents evenings, sports days etc. Days off at weekends can be hard to get at short notice, as to keep trains running there is a quota of how many people can have a day off, so they do get booked up. First come first serve. In my experience it's highly unlikely that you will be able to see the weather forecast in the summer and then apply to use an ad-hoc day to get that next Saturday off to go on a family day out, as it will likely be booked up in advance as a matter of course.
 
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You wont miss out and will have plenty of time. At GWR it is a 4 day week. I have 3 kids. 5, 4, and a 3 year old and manage fine! More than happy and moreee than enough time! Believe me! Lol.
Rosters are fixed. Can possibly get a permenant swap and every 3rd week you get 5 days off.

Plus your 32 days annual leave. Sure 4 weeks are blocked but can always swap them.
It aint true what people say. You can have a work/family life and with the salary it makes it great to do things you want to do.

Hope this helps.
 

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The shifts & weekends aren’t the issue for me and I don’t expect to be treated differently but knowing when I’m working in a reasonable amount of time is important. 6 months of rosters would be great. I suppose most people who don’t have kids, don’t want schools holidays off though so are always willing to swap?

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Thank you for your response!

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I’m looking at Bristol.

I’m erring more on the side of this career change is not going to be suitable for me but then don’t want to regret not going for it. I’m at least going to do the assessments. I might not even pass yet.

My partner is willing to go self employed and work around me. He’s always said that he’d love to be at home more. I’d happily work afternoons / evenings if it meant I was there during the day. I could sleep whilst they are at childcare / school. Probably just won’t work out like that though!
I would go for it honestly it is a great job but very prepared for some sacrifices. My husband is at home so there’s always someone there for the kids. But it’s hard and mum guilt often creeps in but they get the best out of what the job offers in pay and rewards such as free travel. I take my kids on nice holidays and days out when I’m off. I can’t be there for every school event but when I’m off I’m there. Children adapt really easily when they’re young. I don’t feel I’m missing loads. I feel I would miss more if I worked 9-5 mon to fri if I’m honest.
 

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You wont miss out and will have plenty of time. At GWR it is a 4 day week. I have 3 kids. 5, 4, and a 3 year old and manage fine! More than happy and moreee than enough time! Believe me! Lol.
Rosters are fixed. Can possibly get a permenant swap and every 3rd week you get 5 days off.

Plus your 32 days annual leave. Sure 4 weeks are blocked but can always swap them.
It aint true what people say. You can have a work/family life and with the salary it makes it great to do things you want to do.

Hope this helps.
Thank you. This reply is really helpful as it relates to GWR.

I’ve really wanted to do this for a long time but the idea of sacrificing my kids happiness doesn’t sit right with me.

So with the fixed roster, how far in advance do you know? Is it like others say where they are released twice a year for 6 months? What is the allocation like for holidays? Are you able to say in advance “I have kids so would prefer school holidays”. My partner is luckily very supportive of this and is a trade (electrician) so he can go self employed and arrange all his work around me. We could even pull our kids from childcare (not school) in this instance because he can always be at home when I’m working or sleeping and I can be at home when he’s working. My Mum is also incredibly helpful and she’d be there when he we cant.

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I would go for it honestly it is a great job but very prepared for some sacrifices. My husband is at home so there’s always someone there for the kids. But it’s hard and mum guilt often creeps in but they get the best out of what the job offers in pay and rewards such as free travel. I take my kids on nice holidays and days out when I’m off. I can’t be there for every school event but when I’m off I’m there. Children adapt really easily when they’re young. I don’t feel I’m missing loads. I feel I would miss more if I worked 9-5 mon to fri if I’m honest.
I used to do shift work so I know what it’s like. I’ve only been doing 9-5 since 2020. I actually miss the shift work sometimes. Like the random Tuesday off. Working 9-5 I do actually miss a lot. I basically pick them up, have to cook dinner in a rush and I’m stressed and then it’s Bath and bed. I basically get an hour in the morning and an hour in the evening with them and those hours are stressed and rushed getting them dressed, fed, washed and out the door / into bed. However, I’ve got loads of flexibility. I work for one of the big 6 banks and they’re so good to parents.
 

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I work in freight with a young family. We don’t find out what we are working till Thursday for the following week. I personally find I have more disposable time than when I worked standard shifts Monday-Friday. I seem to be able to attend a lot more school events. I would advise anyone to jump at the chance.
 

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Is it that a happy family life doesn’t exist for train drivers, or it just doesn’t exist for you? It must be possible else nobody would do it!

Money is good but money won’t buy my kids happiness or my love so I have to put them first. I can just play my train simulator games

Depends what your after. They soon grow up and you’d maybe regret not going for it. Like with any non 9-5 weekends off job you just take it you can’t go to everything family and just send a representative such as grandparents for those you miss. My parents ran pubs so I used to expect they couldn’t make much of my school events and such like. Never really bothered me to be honest.

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Children soon adapt.
 

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Your rest day pattern will remain the same. Unless you move up a link but even then they will do eveeything they can to keep your rest day the same.
Diagrams are put out every 6 months. Shifts do vary but honestlt it aint that bad at all. Believe me the pros are far better than the cons.
Annual leave gets put roughly around october for the following year. 1 week in spring. 2 weeks in summer and 1 winter.
So thats 16 days. You then have the remainder as floating days to use when you want.
I have always been able to swap for the summer leave I wanted to get.
Its worth it in my opinion!
 

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Your rest day pattern will remain the same. Unless you move up a link but even then they will do eveeything they can to keep your rest day the same.
Diagrams are put out every 6 months. Shifts do vary but honestlt it aint that bad at all. Believe me the pros are far better than the cons.
Annual leave gets put roughly around october for the following year. 1 week in spring. 2 weeks in summer and 1 winter.
So thats 16 days. You then have the remainder as floating days to use when you want.
I have always been able to swap for the summer leave I wanted to get.
It’s worth it in my opinion!
Thank you. Do you have an example GWR roster at all please?

I’m going to go for it. I might not even pass the assessments yet anyway. I’ve been warned there’s only a 25% pass rate
 

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Thank you. Do you have an example GWR roster at all please?

I’m going to go for it. I might not even pass the assessments yet anyway. I’ve been warned there’s only a 25% pass rate

If you do pass you may well go into a talent pool. Many of my trainees have given up thinking they’re not going to get chosen as every vacancy is very over subscribed but then out of the blue 10 months later they get the chance.
 

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For a very long time I have wanted to be a train driver. I put my name down for job alerts around 9 years ago before I had children. I finally got a job alert and have been through the initial application process and have my assessments early next year. I feel so happy about this but I now don’t know if it’s going to work with my current lifestyle.

I have 2 young children and I currently work full time from home with the odd office day. I am here every morning and every evening for them. I’ve never missed an event and even though they go to childcare whilst I work, I pick them up ASAP. My partner also works full time and is out of the house from 6.30am-6pm.

The TOC is going to be First GWR. How are they generally with working parents? What kind of shift pattern can I expect? Is there a way to have an arrangement of consistent shifts so that childcare can be arranged? My partner is willing to adjust his work for me to be able to do this but it’s not something that will be quick. He will have to go from being employed to self employed and that obviously takes time as he’ll need customers.

Thank you in advance for any help!
From what I know from those that are in the job themselves. They enjoy it as it gives them their freedom to go on as many holidays as they can and some bank on some serious overtime money, however and this is where I have to emphasise on this you may have to make a lot of sacrifices to your body clock and routines as others have alluded to on here. Christmas, Easter and Summer and weekends tend to be the tricky times to take off depending on which side of the rota you may find yourself on. Doing swaps is not always guaranteed as others may also have that time off as well so you may be stuck with the time you have to do. On this note you may need to have a honest conversation with your partner should you hopefully go for the job and get it in terms of arrangements as whilst it's rewarding financially it can cause some break downs as some people (hopefully your partner is understanding) don't and won't understand why you have to sleep at odd times and why you feel drained and may need to miss some events.

Also this is something others might not have mentioned to you on this thread but have said it on others. They operate a ZERO TOLERANCE policy on drugs and alcohol and you can and will get random drug and alcohol tests.
 
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From what I know from those that are in the job themselves. They enjoy it as it gives them their freedom to go on as many holidays as they can and some bank on some serious overtime money, however and this is where I have to emphasise on this you may have to make a lot of sacrifices to your body clock and routines as others have alluded to on here. Christmas, Easter and Summer and weekends tend to be the tricky times to take off depending on which side of the rota you may find yourself on. Doing swaps is not always guaranteed as others may also have that time off as well so you may be stuck with the time you have to do. On this note you may need to have a honest conversation with your partner should you hopefully go for the job and get it in terms of arrangements as whilst it's rewarding financially it can cause some break downs as some people (hopefully your partner is understanding) don't and won't understand why you have to sleep at odd times and why you feel drained and may need to miss some events.

Also this is something others might not have mentioned to you on this thread but have said it on others. They operate a ZERO TOLERENCE policy on drugs and alcohol and you can and will get random drug and alcohol tests.
Thank you. My partner is very understanding. I used to run a pub working long days and nights so my body clock was all over the place. Only been in a 9-5 since 2020 but we’ve had 2 children in that time.

Zero tolerance is not an issue for me. I don’t even take paracetamol.

I’m just going to go for it and see what happens. We can worry about this if and when the opportunity arises.

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If you do pass you may well go into a talent pool. Many of my trainees have given up thinking they’re not going to get chosen as every vacancy is very over subscribed but then out of the blue 10 months later they get the chance.
This is good to know. Thank you!
 

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What is the allocation like for holidays? Are you able to say in advance “I have kids so would prefer school holidays”.
No - it is done fairly so everyone gets treated equally. As an example in simplest form, for Summer leave all the blocks of leave May to October will be numbered 1-13 in order. There is then a rotation, eg 1-8-13-4-9-3-12-2-7-5-10-6-11. If in 2025 you started off on Leave Period 1, 2026 you’d be Period 8, 2027 you’d be Period 13, and so on each year.

This is so everyone gets a bit of everything and mixed around year to year. So one year you might be school hols, next year you might be October, year after May, year after early July, year after September, year after June, year after maybe a different period covering school hols, and so on. Rather than those with kids always having best of summer and those without kids always getting April/October, or going in order of weeks so 6 consecutive years of warmest June/July/Aug months then 6 consecutive years of the less summery Sep/Oct/May. The rotation allows you to prepare for what time of year your upcoming leave is though.

So if the Summer Holidays were covered by Periods 7 to 9, and you were Period 1, if there were no vacant slots in Periods 7/8/9 then you’d need to find someone in one of those three periods that wanted to swap.
 
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Rosters typically run May to December and December to May, so in May you'll know your days off and most shifts for six months. Things to note about that though:

The May starting roster might not be received until March/April, and likewise the December roster might not be received until October/November. So while the roster is valid for six months when you first get it, it's not a rolling six months in advance. As your rest day pattern can be changed at roster changes, you will get round to March/April and not yet know for certain what your days off will be over the Summer, and likewise you will get to October/November and still not be able to 100% guarantee what your days off around Christmas will be. Even where the rest day pattern stays the same going into the next roster period, shifts themselves often change and therefore move around, so a week of predicted earlies around Christmas could become a week of lates with not a massive amount of notice, for example.

A week of a particular shift type isn't a steady 0500-1400 all week. It will often look more like: Monday 0612-1531, Tuesday 0405-1257, Wednesday 0357-1147, Thursday 0600-1430.

That Thursday above might be a 'Spare', which means you can be moved +/- 2/3 hours and have the shift lengthened as enforced overtime (varies between company). You will typically have one or two of these a week and these are used to cover annual leave, sickness, etc. Typically you will only have 36-48 hours notice, so it will only be sometime on Tuesday when the 'daily amendment sheets' are published that you will find out what you have been moved to on Thursday. So with a +/- 3 hours movement, your Thursday will likely therefore go from your 0600-1430 'Spare' to potentially a 0315-1207 job or completely the other way to a 0900-1823 job.

Weekends are often when engineering work occurs and as a result with lines closed/reduced in capacity, some/most/all jobs will be cancelled and reissued taking into account what is open. Your rostered timings/hours can therefore be essentially ignored to an extent as if your booked duty took you into those works it's not always a case that some trains in your shift will be cancelled. You will likely get an amended/special job with different start/finish times and potentially also increased in length as enforced overtime. So your lunchtime finish Saturday may well become, say, a 1500 one. Such changes can also occur to cater for large events where extra trains are run/services amended, for example horse racing at some racecourses, important sporting fixtures at key stadiums, key events such as large festivals, etc.

Public Holidays and the like are normal working days, so if you are rostered to be a 0327 start on New Years Day then that will still be the time you are expected at work, even though the train service usually starts up later than a normal weekday on Public Holidays. Because the train service will typically run to a weekend timetable on Public Holidays, you become 'Spare' and won't know until that two or so days before what you have picked up. So the roster might have you as a nice short and early finishing rostered 0447-1212 job that Monday, but you will likely be moved to something resembling a Saturday turn that day, so probably on Friday you will find out your Bank Holiday Monday job has changed from 0447-1212 to 0602-1527. Bang go any family Bank Holiday Monday afternoon plans, with only two days notice!

Similar to the above, the week between Christmas and New Year will often be a Saturday timetable, so you can essentially ignore your roster that week and you will likely be moved to different start and finish times every day.

While there are of course drivers who don't have kids so will likely want to swap if they get allocated leave during school holidays, there are plenty of drivers who will want their school holidays. Therefore those drivers wanting to swap out of school holidays can afford to pick and choose who they swap with. If your rostered Summer leave is two weeks in October, then you're likely to be an unlikely choice and might struggle to swap that, as they're probably more likely to choose to swap with someone with May/June/September allocated weeks.

I've lost count of how many colleagues have gone through break ups and divorces. That said, some do make it work. I guess it all depends how you think you and your partner would deal with the above changes, which include many instances of where your six month long roster will regularly change with as little as 36-48 hours notice - not just the 'spares', but particularly also what you think are 'safe' rostered jobs on weekends and bank holidays when engineering works/special events occur etc. You will likely have to miss things such as school plays, parents evenings, sports days etc. Days off at weekends can be hard to get at short notice, as to keep trains running there is a quota of how many people can have a day off, so they do get booked up. First come first serve. In my experience it's highly unlikely that you will be able to see the weather forecast in the summer and then apply to use an ad-hoc day to get that next Saturday off to go on a family day out, as it will likely be booked up in advance as a matter of course.

Thanks for this really handy info.

Can I ask - if a shift is cancelled for example due to cancellations or engineering work (or any other circumstance)….are you still paid for that shift? Is anything deducted from your salary ?
 

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Thanks for this really handy info.

Can I ask - if a shift is cancelled for example due to cancellations or engineering work (or any other circumstance)….are you still paid for that shift? Is anything deducted from your salary ?

Of course you are. This is the railway. We never lose anything. Doesn’t matter as traincrew if we sit a week spare doing nothing due to cancellations or just not get a job you’ll get paid in full. Sometimes you get asked to do something else instead then get an off roster payment so you actually end up better off.
 

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Of course you are. This is the railway. We never lose anything. Doesn’t matter as traincrew if we sit a week spare doing nothing due to cancellations or just not get a job you’ll get paid in full. Sometimes you get asked to do something else instead then get an off roster payment so you actually end up better off.
Love that, thanks for the info.
 

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I got 2 young kids. Never had a drama and feel like I'm at home all the time lol works for me. Id say go for it
 
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