ryan125hst
Established Member
As some of you may have noticed, i'm interested in the operation side of the railway and I am particularly interested in the diagramming of trains at the moment. During the first week of the Easter holidays, I made a start working out the Monday-Friday diagrams of East Midlands Trains Class 222's. I have exams coming up though, so I haven't had chance to finish it off yet.
What I was wondering is, would we ever be able to collect a full set of diagrams for every train in the country? I have seen it suggested that the diagrams are private/sensitive data, so this won't be possible. However, East Coast diagrams have been provided under a Freedom of Information Request, and commercially sensitive information is excluded from the Act. It is reasonable to believe, therefore, that this information isn't seen to be commercially sensitive.
As well as this, the diagrams of every HST are available on the 125 Group's website, and the diagrams for all of Virgin's trains are on the Virgin Trains Yahoo group. Finally, I have recently joined the UK EMU Yahoo Group which also has a large number of diagrams, although some of these are out of date.
I think it would be fantastic if we could come up with a full set of them. Ideally, they should be official, in the format that these (now very out of date!) diagrams for Arriva Trains Wales are: http://www.prar.fsnet.co.uk/ATW_MF_1H07_1_v1.pdf In addition to the times and headcodes, these show the diagram number, stock allocated, whether other units are couple and their diagram numbers, what the unit formed previously and will form on the next day and when it is fueled, cleaned and stabled.
If official diagrams can't be obtained, then Realtime Trains is very useful, and I have found it relatively easy to compile diagrams using that site. The only other information I need is whether or not more than one unit is coupled together, and in the case of some TOC's, the type of unit would be useful as well where it could be one of a few operating a particular diagram.
So, what does everyone think? Is this a no go? Are members interested in this? We do have a frequently requested diagrams thread after all!
There seems to be a great deal of information regarding diagrams out there on the internet, some of it up to date, and others not so. Even if it is not possible to get official diagrams, if people tried to work out the diagrams in their own area, i'm sure that a large database of diagrams could be built up.
It's just a suggestion I had. What do you think?
Thank you
Ryan
What I was wondering is, would we ever be able to collect a full set of diagrams for every train in the country? I have seen it suggested that the diagrams are private/sensitive data, so this won't be possible. However, East Coast diagrams have been provided under a Freedom of Information Request, and commercially sensitive information is excluded from the Act. It is reasonable to believe, therefore, that this information isn't seen to be commercially sensitive.
As well as this, the diagrams of every HST are available on the 125 Group's website, and the diagrams for all of Virgin's trains are on the Virgin Trains Yahoo group. Finally, I have recently joined the UK EMU Yahoo Group which also has a large number of diagrams, although some of these are out of date.
I think it would be fantastic if we could come up with a full set of them. Ideally, they should be official, in the format that these (now very out of date!) diagrams for Arriva Trains Wales are: http://www.prar.fsnet.co.uk/ATW_MF_1H07_1_v1.pdf In addition to the times and headcodes, these show the diagram number, stock allocated, whether other units are couple and their diagram numbers, what the unit formed previously and will form on the next day and when it is fueled, cleaned and stabled.
If official diagrams can't be obtained, then Realtime Trains is very useful, and I have found it relatively easy to compile diagrams using that site. The only other information I need is whether or not more than one unit is coupled together, and in the case of some TOC's, the type of unit would be useful as well where it could be one of a few operating a particular diagram.
So, what does everyone think? Is this a no go? Are members interested in this? We do have a frequently requested diagrams thread after all!
There seems to be a great deal of information regarding diagrams out there on the internet, some of it up to date, and others not so. Even if it is not possible to get official diagrams, if people tried to work out the diagrams in their own area, i'm sure that a large database of diagrams could be built up.
It's just a suggestion I had. What do you think?
Thank you
Ryan
or more likely Dreamweaver and an sql DB. 