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Train cleaners pay rise criticised

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davo882000

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I Work as a cleaner for a subcontractor for one of the if four supermarkets. They pay me £5.93ph nmw I look forward to a national minimum wage increase as my company won't increase my wages. They often cut ya wages or don't pay you for working that extra shift ... I've had 4 grievances in in 5 years for theft of wages. Quite often you are not
Trained properly and it's a shambles. 4am starts 6days a week. Cleaners need more credit and more pay and they are hard workers... Rant over lol
 
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I Work as a cleaner for a subcontractor for one of the if four supermarkets. They pay me £5.93ph nmw I look forward to a national minimum wage increase as my company won't increase my wages. They often cut ya wages or don't pay you for working that extra shift ... I've had 4 grievances in in 5 years for theft of wages. Quite often you are not
Trained properly and it's a shambles. 4am starts 6days a week. Cleaners need more credit and more pay and they are hard workers... Rant over lol

It is very true that society does not give due credit to those who will work for minimum wage.

I have done it before (for a short period) and it is not an easy life at all.

What annoys me most is people taking the mickey out of young people who work at McDonald's, often at unsocial hours. With attitudes like that it's not surprising there are so many reluctant to take work.
 

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It is very true that society does not give due credit to those who will work for minimum wage.

I have done it before (for a short period) and it is not an easy life at all.

What annoys me most is people taking the mickey out of young people who work at McDonald's, often at unsocial hours. With attitudes like that it's not surprising there are so many reluctant to take work.

Agreed.
We would all soon be complaining if trains / shops / whatever weren't cleaned, or if there was no stock on the supermarket shelves, or there was no one serving you food in whatever fast food place you go to.
 

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The criticism the article linked to in the OP refers to how small the pay rise is, presumably criticised because they are the contractor for at least one multi-million pound company.
 

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The criticism the article linked to in the OP refers to how small the pay rise is, presumably criticised because they are the contractor for at least one multi-million pound company.

That is the responsibility of the contractor, who pay the wages. I fail to understand the criticism by other posters of Virgin and "beardy" (do you mean Branson or Souter? :lol: ), but then some on these forums have their own agenda to push...
 

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I notice the article mentioned that CCSS are also trying to derecognise the RMT union.
CCSS management aren't fit to lick the boots of their cleaners.
 

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I Work as a cleaner for a subcontractor for one of the if four supermarkets. They pay me £5.93ph nmw I look forward to a national minimum wage increase as my company won't increase my wages. They often cut ya wages or don't pay you for working that extra shift ... I've had 4 grievances in in 5 years for theft of wages. Quite often you are not
Trained properly and it's a shambles. 4am starts 6days a week. Cleaners need more credit and more pay and they are hard workers... Rant over lol

You're absolutely, 100 percent correct. Clearers are ALWAYS forgotten, no matter what they clean. Done correctly and cleaning is an art and the pay should reflect this. Keep up the good work, Davo!
 

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Cheers strange6 - I always find that if the basic principles (the foundations of life)- and Abraham Maslow once said in 1942... If the only thing you have is a hammer... Then you treat every problem as a nail.... It's a quote I always remember...

If you sit down on a train... You first look at the table, the window, the rim of the window and possible the floor to judge and determine how clean a train is. Not the 20 odd years worth of build up of muck. Like a typical pacer train ... I like to call it the 10sec rule which determine how clean an area is -
 

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I completely disagree with the "untrained cleaners" comment made earlier.

Ive had a couple of cleaning jobs of which one was office and another was industrial cleaning and on both occasions I have had to go for manual handling, COSHH and HACCP training with an exam to be deemed competent.
If you are working as a cleaner and are untrained then stop moaning about the conditions if you're not going to do something about it.
Put your concerns forward to management and see what happens or find another job. Generally I found that agency cleaners (Manpower, Brookstreet and such the like) tend to get a lot better working and pay conditions and they are NEVER short of work.

Give it a try!
 

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The NMW usually rises on 1st October. When I was secretary of a sports club I usually had to remind the committee that the staff would get a pay rise on that date - no exemptions for good causes!
 

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The NMW usually rises on 1st October. When I was secretary of a sports club I usually had to remind the committee that the staff would get a pay rise on that date - no exemptions for good causes!

Being in Wales I take it this was a Rugby Club ? - I bet the "Bar Staff" earnt their money :p
 

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I Work as a cleaner for a subcontractor for one of the if four supermarkets. They pay me £5.93ph nmw I look forward to a national minimum wage increase as my company won't increase my wages. They often cut ya wages or don't pay you for working that extra shift ... I've had 4 grievances in in 5 years for theft of wages. Quite often you are not
Trained properly and it's a shambles. 4am starts 6days a week. Cleaners need more credit and more pay and they are hard workers... Rant over lol

Not everyone forgets cleaners.

I am a procurement and strategy specialist and understand that when I am buying cleaning and other soft FM services I am predominantly buying people (please do not read anything negative into this). As such in order to get best overall value - not always just lowest cost - I always consider the following:
  • Wage rates to ensure staff turnover is managed
  • Staff training and development to promote service standards, compliance and staff retention
  • Other staff rewards to incentivise performance

In my view there is nothing more expensive than a FM contract that is too cheap - costs will appear from elsewhere.

Interestingly many of the execs at these companies do understand the issues but feel pressurised into low cost bidding otherwise they will not get the work. As the cost of setting up a cleaning company is so low I have a lot of sympathy with this - there are always companies that will do the job (or try to) for less - a factor not helped by a structural disconnect between the sales and operations departments in many firms.

Finally I also specify rewards for good performance include a component that goes directly to all staff involved - something that should be standard practice but isn't.
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I completely disagree with the "untrained cleaners" comment made earlier.

Ive had a couple of cleaning jobs of which one was office and another was industrial cleaning and on both occasions I have had to go for manual handling, COSHH and HACCP training with an exam to be deemed competent.
If you are working as a cleaner and are untrained then stop moaning about the conditions if you're not going to do something about it.
Put your concerns forward to management and see what happens or find another job. Generally I found that agency cleaners (Manpower, Brookstreet and such the like) tend to get a lot better working and pay conditions and they are NEVER short of work.

Give it a try!

Agree - cleaning is becoming a skilled profession.

My advice to anyone who receives absolutely no training is move before the company goes or you get hurt
 
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