Train catches fire? at Slaithwaite

[alexl92]

Various outlets reporting an 'incident' with a train at Slaithwaite this afternoon.
BBC Look North have tweeted a photo of a Fire Engine in attendance and the train in question would appear to be a TPE Class 185. Disruption expected til around 14:45 today.

https://twitter.com/BBCLookNorth/status/799955358915719169

A train has been evacuated in #Slaithwaite, following an fire. Rail services disrupted

 

[Crossover]

From a pretty reliable source on Facebook
"Travel update - A train fire at Slaithwaite railway station has led to the train been evacuated. Fire is in the engine and all reported safe but incident will have a knock on effect for all train travel to Huddersfield. All lines are currently blocked"

Reported with the same picture as the Tweet
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I think the incident train is either
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/.../2016/11/19/advanced (last reported at Marsden)

or

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/.../2016/11/19/advanced (last reported allegedly leaving Huddersfield)
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Actually, could be this one

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y70296/2016/11/19/advanced

 

[yorksrob]

Luckily I've just passed through there a couple of hours ago !

 

[507 001]

What in gods name is the world of journalism coming to?


'An Fire'?

 

[noddingdonkey]

I think it more likely that the train was stopped at Slawit to deal with the incident rather than it catching fire there, as a TPE service not booked to stop there

 

[voyagerdude220]

From a pretty reliable source on Facebook
"Travel update - A train fire at Slaithwaite railway station has led to the train been evacuated. Fire is in the engine and all reported safe but incident will have a knock on effect for all train travel to Huddersfield. All lines are currently blocked"

Reported with the same picture as the Tweet
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I think the incident train is either
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/.../2016/11/19/advanced (last reported at Marsden)

or

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/.../2016/11/19/advanced (last reported allegedly leaving Huddersfield)
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Actually, could be this one

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y70296/2016/11/19/advanced

It certainly was 1F85, you're correct.

Apparently (according to Tyrell Check) unit 185103, vehicle 54103 involved.
The engine had been reported low on coolant.

 

[Statto]

Then flooding on the line caused further delays as my sister took 3 hours to get from Leeds to Manchester Picc on the 14.10 from Leeds

 

[bradford758]

There was also flooding on the line via Hebden Bridge.

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[SpacePhoenix]

It certainly was 1F85, you're correct.

Apparently (according to Tyrell Check) unit 185103, vehicle 54103 involved.
The engine had been reported low on coolant.

Don't the engines of modern units auto-shutdown in situations like coolant levels running low?

 

[Bungle965]

There was also flooding on the line via Hebden Bridge.

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Even before that TPE were having problems sending units via the Calder Valley due to route knowledge. With congestion at Leeds as a result of it.
As a general question I thought that diversions via the Calder Valley was one of the most common diversionary route on the cards? How come they were having problems today?
Sam

 

[lincolnshire]

Don't the engines of modern units auto-shutdown in situations like coolant levels running low?

Even the old DMU,s of the 1950,s shut down if coolant or oil levels was too low, so whats happened to the all singing and dancing stock of today then? shall we ask the on board monitoring system what happened then?

 

[Welshman]

Even before that TPE were having problems sending units via the Calder Valley due to route knowledge. With congestion at Leeds as a result of it.
As a general question I thought that diversions via the Calder Valley was one of the most common diversionary route on the cards? How come they were having problems today?
Sam

Like you, I would be surprised if most TPE staff don't know the Calder Valley, as it's a often-used diversion.

Could it have rather been a problem[before the flooding] of finding paths at short notice on a weekday? I remember when TPE trains were diverted this way during the Stalybridge blockade, they used some local paths, and stopped at places such as Todmorden and Rochdale.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Even before that TPE were having problems sending units via the Calder Valley due to route knowledge. With congestion at Leeds as a result of it.
As a general question I thought that diversions via the Calder Valley was one of the most common diversionary route on the cards? How come they were having problems today?
Sam

Although calder valley is a diversion (as are wakefield kirkgate and castleford-sherburn) only certain depots sign it. York and manchester staff do as they run route retention services that way during the night, but not all staff at york have it on their cards. Liverpool newcastle and scarborough dont sign the route and have no route retention services meaning there is limited opportunity to route review although there may be one or two who sign it for historical reasons (such as transferred in from other depots) with no reviews routes the knowledge can expire.
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Driver knowledge is far more detailed than conductors and therefore fewer drivers hold competency for the route

 

[Andyh82]

It'd be surprising that there are that many spare paths to go via the Calder Valley, and that's before you think about paths through Victoria.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

That probably would also have a bearing on events. Those that can run will often be doubled up to aid capacity. Sometimes this will include a brighouse or hebden bridge stop to help norrhern out

 

[lejog]

It'd be surprising that there are that many spare paths to go via the Calder Valley, and that's before you think about paths through Victoria.

... let alone reversing at Salford Crescent on a Saturday afternoon.
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Like you, I would be surprised if most TPE staff don't know the Calder Valley, as it's a often-used diversion.

Could it have rather been a problem[before the flooding] of finding paths at short notice on a weekday? I remember when TPE trains were diverted this way during the Stalybridge blockade, they used some local paths, and stopped at places such as Todmorden and Rochdale.

I certainly don't remember any ad-hoc TPE diversions via the Calder Valley, planned late-night and Sunday services only. As you say the Stalybridge blockade required a special timetable, with 1 Bradford service cancelled and the Brighouse service cancelled between Hebden Bridge and Rochdale, to allow 2 TPE trains to run.

There are capacity upgrades planned, partly to allow for a better diverted service during Standedge electrification and the works in the Rochdale area are virtually complete, but works to the east of this are still showing as date of completion tbc in the Hendy plan.

On the other hand, ad-hoc diversions of Calder Valley services through Dewsbury aren't uncommon.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

There are 3 calder valley tph, 2x via halifax and 1 via dewsbury. Two of the services run leeds -man vicc while the third is the blackpool-york service. The gap is then filled by the burnley-vicc service at Todmorden.

Paths wise one TPE service can get through ok, theres the possibility of two service squeezing in at a push hence the doubling up but performance might not be sprightly!

 

[keith1879]

... let alone reversing at Salford Crescent on a Saturday afternoon.
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I certainly don't remember any ad-hoc TPE diversions via the Calder Valley, planned late-night and Sunday services only. As you say the Stalybridge blockade required a special timetable, with 1 Bradford service cancelled and the Brighouse service cancelled between Hebden Bridge and Rochdale, to allow 2 TPE trains to run.

There are capacity upgrades planned, partly to allow for a better diverted service during Standedge electrification and the works in the Rochdale area are virtually complete, but works to the east of this are still showing as date of completion tbc in the Hendy plan.

On the other hand, ad-hoc diversions of Calder Valley services through Dewsbury aren't uncommon.

Back in June there was some sort of a problem between Mirfield and Stalybridge (possibly a bridge strike) on a weekday evening - I was on a train that combined with another one at Leeds and ran non-stop to Manchester Victoria through Todmorden (at least one of them was Piccadilly bound) - I think several trains did the same thing and that it was a Thursday - so it does happen occasionally.

 

[noddingdonkey]

Did the incident train stay in the platform after evacuating the passengers or did it draw forward? A fire close to a wooden platform doesn't sound ideal

 

[Crossover]

http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/two-hundred-passengers-evacuated-after-12202979

Reported now. Not the best journalism given it has been reported as a 4 car train!

 

[noddingdonkey]

The Examiner is not widely noted for the quality of its journalism and attention to detail.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

The Examiner is not widely noted for the quality of its journalism and attention to detail.

Like most Trinity Mirror local titles, the Unexamined these days is mostly staffed by interns, and their pets if they can be persuaded!

 

[alexl92]

Someone on twitter said it was the third fire on a TPE 185 in a few months. Is that so?

 

[gimmea50anyday]

And the rest!....

Fire bottles are designed to fail safe. It is more likely they went off precautionary than reactionary on most of the known incidents. That said there was an engine fire on the ECML at ferryhill a few months ago. Oil and debry on top of the engine as opposed to the engine itself meant fire bottles had no effect.

 

[37057]

And the rest!....

Fire bottles are designed to fail safe. It is more likely they went off precautionary than reactionary on most of the known incidents. That said there was an engine fire on the ECML at ferryhill a few months ago. Oil and debry on top of the engine as opposed to the engine itself meant fire bottles had no effect.

You mean right where the fire ring is then?

Usually debris is what goes up and it doesn't have to be on fire to generate enough heat to activate the ring and raise alarms. A bin bag on the exhaust can be enough to cause it.

 

[lejog]

Back in June there was some sort of a problem between Mirfield and Stalybridge (possibly a bridge strike) on a weekday evening - I was on a train that combined with another one at Leeds and ran non-stop to Manchester Victoria through Todmorden (at least one of them was Piccadilly bound) - I think several trains did the same thing and that it was a Thursday - so it does happen occasionally.

Sorry, I now remember that the signalling south of Todmorden was renewed when the Todmorden Curve opened, because the new service added a fourth Calder Valley tph. So capacity has apparently already been upgraded since the Stalybridge blockade and the limited 3tph that ran between Rochdale and Todmorden then. East of Todmorden seemed less of a problem, even during the blockade 5tph ran.

 

[noddingdonkey]

Reading the Examiner article back I guess in the interest of fairness I should acknowledge that the 4 car error was a direct quote from the fire service rather than an editorial error.

Still doesn't reflect well on them though.

 

[Crossover]

Yes, I heard the 4 car thing come from the Incident Commander (IIRC) on site, which is a slight concern!

 

[Andyh82]

The Examiner is not widely noted for the quality of its journalism and attention to detail.

Although probably the best one of the West Yorkshire locals.

You'd get a paragraph saying there has been a fire in the Courier, and the T&A would print a press release with no journalism about a week later.

 

[Welshman]

When I lived in Halifax, it was, more often than not, fish and chips which were found in the Courier, rather than fires.