TPE terminating at Berwick

[TheScottish220]

I don't have a photo of it but I remember it. I saw the displays saying that a TPE terminated there i passed the train when i was in Scotland around where i live i saw the rail point say the same thing was it a mistake or did it actually terminate there

 

[WizCastro197]

I don't have a photo of it but I remember it. I saw the displays saying that a TPE terminated there i passed the train when i was in Scotland around where i live i saw the rail point say the same thing was it a mistake or did it actually terminate there

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What time was the train? Was it today or a couple weeks ago?

 

[Starmill]

It's correct. They're new services. On weekdays, 1147 and 1514 Edinburgh to Berwick-upon-Tweed, 1405 and 1616 Berwick-upon-Tweed to Edinburgh.

 

[najaB]

I don't have a photo of it but I remember it. I saw the displays saying that a TPE terminated there i passed the train when i was in Scotland around where i live i saw the rail point say the same thing was it a mistake or did it actually terminate there

Yes, there are TPE terminators into Berwick-Upon-Tweed.

 

[dk1]

There are several services clearly shown in timetables as starting or terminating at Berwick-upon-Tweed.

 

[TheScottish220]

It's correct. They're new services. On weekdays, 1147 and 1514 Edinburgh to Berwick-upon-Tweed, 1405 and 1616 Berwick-upon-Tweed to Edinburgh.

ah thanks mate, i was not too sure as i googled it and didn't see a result only got LNER strikes thanks

 

[route101]

Interesting, I thought Scotrail would be the operator to terminate at Berwick.

 

[dk1]

Interesting, I thought Scotrail would be the operator to terminate at Berwick.

They couldn’t provide the service & hence the Scottish Office approached TPE. All rather embarrassing really.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Interesting, I thought Scotrail would be the operator to terminate at Berwick.

Bizarre. Is this why there is sometimes an absence of TPE units on the key central part of their network?

 

[dk1]

Bizarre. Is this why there is sometimes an absence of TPE units on the key central part of their network?

Not really. The Liverpool-Newcastle was supposed to be extended hourly to Edinburgh by now. It’s just a terrible lack of traincrew that’s hitting this TOC very hard.

 

[route101]

Not really. The Liverpool-Newcastle was supposed to be extended hourly to Edinburgh by now. It’s just a terrible lack of traincrew that’s hitting this TOC very hard.

I thought the TPE service has been split at Newcastle. Liverpool to Newcastle and Edinburgh to Newcastle.

 

[swt_passenger]

Not really. The Liverpool-Newcastle was supposed to be extended hourly to Edinburgh by now. It’s just a terrible lack of traincrew that’s hitting this TOC very hard.

I thought the intended hourly Liverpool - Edinburgh through services were removed well before current crew issues, and it was because they couldn’t be pathed with the already agreed full LNER Edinburgh to London service in place.

 

[dk1]

I thought the intended hourly Liverpool - Edinburgh through services were removed well before current crew issues, and it was because they couldn’t be pathed with the already agreed full LNER Edinburgh to London service in place.

No it wasn’t that long ago. Negotiations where going on with TPE at the same time & the fact their 802s would still have to run ECS between Craigentinny & Newcastle was a contributing factor.

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I thought the TPE service has been split at Newcastle. Liverpool to Newcastle and Edinburgh to Newcastle.

Yes but only because it’s plans changed when paths where given to LNER & the Scottish government had nobody to serve its new ECML stations.

 

[Starmill]

The Newcastle - Edinburgh TransPennine Express services aren't hourly, and aren't supposed to be.

 

[najaB]

The Newcastle - Edinburgh TransPennine Express services aren't hourly, and aren't supposed to be.

They were originally going to be though. As per the document uploaded in this thread: Various consultations on the May 2022 East Coast Mainline timetable

The ESG has concluded the following changes are to be made to TransPennine Express services at the May 2022 timetable change:
• The through Edinburgh Waverley – Morpeth – Newcastle – Liverpool Lime Street via York hourly service will be withdrawn between Edinburgh – Newcastle and will only operate between Newcastle– Liverpool Lime Street

 

[dk1]

The Newcastle - Edinburgh TransPennine Express services aren't hourly, and aren't supposed to be.

That was the original plan direct from Lime St. Reduced to a 5 times daily local service in the end.

 

[Starmill]

That was the original plan direct from Lime St. Reduced to a 5 times daily local service in the end.

Yes, but what I was getting at was that this isn't due to a shortage of train crew or some other short term issue. It is because it wasn't compliant and also really wasn't necessary. Even with the reduced service there's still over-provision of capacity between Newcastle and Edinburgh but a shortage elsewhere.

 

[dk1]

Yes, but what I was getting at was that this isn't due to a shortage of train crew or some other short term issue. It is because it wasn't compliant and also really wasn't necessary. Even with the reduced service there's still over-provision of capacity between Newcastle and Edinburgh but a shortage elsewhere.

The plan for a train averaging every 12 minutes between Newcastle & Edinburgh was never going to end well especially as they came over such long distances on basically a two track railway.

 

[Starmill]

I thought the intended hourly Liverpool - Edinburgh through services were removed well before current crew issues

They were. Nearly all were in the plan and a small handful ran in December 2019, but very few. Then they disappeared in March 2020 and that was that.

 

[dk1]

They were. Nearly all were in the plan and a small handful ran in December 2019, but very few. Then they disappeared in March 2020 and that was that.

I liked the idea of them giving the likes of Liverpool & Huddersfield a direct service as well as helping to take the pressure off XC north from Leeds.

 

[Class 170101]

I liked the idea of them giving the likes of Liverpool & Huddersfield a direct service as well as helping to take the pressure off XC north from Leeds.

So do I, two services from London and two from Leeds. I remain to be convinced that LUMO is completely the right answer to be honest.

 

[dk1]

So do I, two services from London and two from Leeds. I remain to be convinced that LUMO is completely the right answer to be honest.

Yes me too. Something never sits quite right for me with Lumo but that’s another story.