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TPE Mark 5A coaching stock progress

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The plan was dropped because TPE didn’t want to put them into service and it would have been inconvenient for them. The public disability statement from TPE didn’t even mention disabled people but not being introduced due to issues with wheelchair users has become a firm fact amongst some enthusiasts regardless.
 
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Even though they are just light engines they will rub salt in the wounds of the poor people wanting to use trains to travel in and out of Scarborough!
The Class 68s last weekend attracted quite a bit of attention, and not just from railway enthusiasts! At least there’s some action at last on this side of the Pennines;)
 

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There were 3 or 4 Mk5a sets outside Longsight International depot early this afternoon.
One set on the wheel lathe.
One set on the excursion platform with some sort of wrapping over 1 vehicle and a 68.
Shifting test sets around maybe!
 

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Many thanks for that, Mike, now confirmed as 68027/23 light engine, now stood in platform 2 at York.
 

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The plan was dropped because TPE didn’t want to put them into service and it would have been inconvenient for them. The public disability statement from TPE didn’t even mention disabled people but not being introduced due to issues with wheelchair users has become a firm fact amongst some enthusiasts regardless.
Correct. The actual reasons are obscure in the extreme - and even people quite close to the process (or who ought to be) have never been able to get a single, consistent, logical and straight answer as to why... or even when!
 

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Press release from TPE a few moments ago (my emphasis added) says this...:

Change of delivery date for Nova 3 trains
TransPennine Express (TPE) has today, Monday 12 November 2018, announced that the first of the brand-new Nova 3 trains will now enter service slightly later than planned.

CAF, the train manufacturer, recently made TPE aware of a technical issue with a key on board system and they are working hard to ensure this is addressed as soon as possible prior to delivery of the trains to TPE.

TPE are confident that customers will start to see new trains in service by spring next year and the issue does not affect the other two new Nova fleets, Nova 2 and 1, which customers will also experience next year. All three fleets of new trains plus an extra 13million seats are still on track to be delivered by 2020.

Leo Goodwin, Managing Director for TransPennine Express, said, “While we are keen to start the roll out of the Nova 3s as soon as possible, it is important that we allow CAF to address the issue identified during the train testing process. It was hoped that our customers would start to experience these new trains before the end of the year, but we will all now have to wait until the New Year.

“This issue does not affect the other Nova fleets, we will start to see new trains in service by spring next year, and we are still on track to complete the roll out of all three fleets of trains by 2020. This is a hugely exciting and ambitious project that will provide our customers with extra seats, extra space and a whole new experience when travelling with us.

“We will continue to work with CAF to ensure that we can get the trains onto our network as soon as possible. It may be a short delay to the programme, but it will definitely be worth the wait.”

Richard Garner, UK Director for CAF, said, “We are working closely with TPE to resolve the technical issue. Our trains undergo thorough, detailed testing in order to ensure that when they enter service, they provide the customer with a reliable, comfortable and high-quality service.

“When the Nova 3 trains enter service in the new year, we believe the customer will see a huge step change in their travelling experience.”

Once in service, the Nova 3 trains will operate on the route between Liverpool, Manchester, Huddersfield, Leeds, York, Scarborough and Middlesbrough.

TPE is delivering an investment of £500million in the next two years in more services, extra seats and brand-new trains for customers across the North and into Scotland.

Reasonably unimpressive in the circumstances - and it increases (or extends) the December 2018 capacity worries yet further...
 

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Must have been kept from TPE has as recently as a few weeks ago BMIFlyer said they’d be testing to Scarborough soon.

So for everyone playing down the brake problem (which we assume this issue is), it’s clear it’s more serious than first thought.
 

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Must have been kept from TPE has as recently as a few weeks ago BMIFlyer said they’d be testing to Scarborough soon.

So for everyone playing down the brake problem (which we assume this issue is), it’s clear it’s more serious than first thought.

Either BMI have misheard, or you have misread - the 68 locomotives have just started light loco test runs to Scarborough (I believe there was a few on Saturday or Sunday), but the full 68/MK5a sets have only really had runs from the Intl depot in Manchester down to Bletchley - there's about 3 sets currently parked in Longsight T.M.D - two rakes in the main depot (on the LHS going away from Piccadilly), with one set+CL68 on the RHS as you leave Piccadilly.
 
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Press release from TPE a few moments ago (my emphasis added) says this...:



Reasonably unimpressive in the circumstances - and it increases (or extends) the December 2018 capacity worries yet further...

Not much by way of an apology here is there?
 

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It's not TPE's fault, so why should they apologise?

Well, they are the ones making promises they can't keep.
The DfT will be annoyed too if it means delay to TPE capacity uplifts (with no Mk3s to fall back on).
Meanwhile, Northern's new CAF trains seem to be close to starting in passenger service.
Quick and easy LHCS eh!
 

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Well, they are the ones making promises they can't keep.
The DfT will be annoyed too if it means delay to TPE capacity uplifts (with no Mk3s to fall back on).
Meanwhile, Northern's new CAF trains seem to be close to starting in passenger service.
Quick and easy LHCS eh!

Utter drivel. It's not TPE's fault whatsoever, CAF have delivered a product that isn't fit for service. What should TPE do, accept trains riddled with issues to keep their estimated times of coming into service? Or work with CAF to fix the issue so that when they come into service there's not the issues as they've been so open about?

TPE have nothing to apologise for here. All with CAF, who are not doing themselves any favours.
 

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For once this is not TPE's fault, CAF have delivered a product which does not meet the required standard. Apart from the brake issue which is in a nutshell it takes 17 seconds to get a complete brake release on all the coaches which leads to dragging brakes. The on-board alarms are not up to UK spec and all the tables in 1st class are to be removed as they do not meet the required safety standards. This is all down to CAF and I fully back the decision not to take ownership of the trains and delay their introduction.
 
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