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TPE formally announce extra capacity

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Many of our services between Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds and Newcastle will be faster on average, including more frequent services, which means more choice and flexibility for you. Many peak-time trains will also improve, with more seats and services timed to get you into work before 9am. And that's not all. For instance, did you know...

* There are now 5 services per hour between Leeds and Manchester, rather than 4
* There are now hourly services throughout the day between Manchester and Scotland
* Journey times from Newcastle to Liverpool are up to 43 minutes faster
* There are now 50,000 more seats per week between Leeds and Manchester
* Services every hour between Newcastle and Liverpool
* More carriages everyday on routes to and from Cleethorpes, Sheffield and Hull
* Faster journeys between big cities such as Liverpool, Manchester and Leeds
* Increased luggage space


What’s Happening at Cleethorpes?

* There’s loads more room with 4,000 more seats per week between Cleethorpes and Sheffield, and most services will run as either three or four-carriage trains
* Two-carriage trains will only run in the late evenings

What’s Happening at Glasgow?

* There’s loads more room with 9,000 more seats per week between Glasgow Central and Manchester
* If you’re heading towards Manchester from Glasgow Central, there are now six more services per day
* There are regular services to Manchester Airport every two hours throughout the day
If you need to get into Manchester early, there’s a new early morning service that arrives in the city before 08:30

What’s Happening at Hull?

* There’s loads more room, with 10,000 extra seats per week between Hull and Leeds
* There’s more room on the peak-time 07:35 service to Manchester, as it becomes a six-carriage train rather than four
* Most services will run as three or four-carriage trains, with only one two-carriage train running during the middle of the day
* If you’re planning a day out on a Sunday, there’s now a regular hourly service to Manchester from lunchtime, stopping at major cities like Leeds and Sheffield
* There’s a new connection to Manchester Airport on the 05:49 from Hull
* The 17:40 Leeds to Hull service will now be a six-carriage train between Monday and Thursday, and the 16:39 Leeds to Hull service will now be three-carriages rather than two

What’s Happening at Leeds?

* You’ll have more flexibility when travelling to Manchester, with five services an hour throughout the day rather than four
* There are 50,000 more seats per week between Manchester, with 1,505 more seats to Manchester during peak times
* You’ll have more choices when travelling between Leeds and York, with four services per hour rather than three
* You’ll get to Liverpool quicker, with journey times to and from the city reducing by up to 26 minutes
* There are new evening peak-time services from Leeds to Manchester Victoria at 16:44 and 17:44, and from Manchester Victoria to Leeds at 16:52 and 17:52
* The 17:25 Manchester Piccadilly to Leeds train, and the 17:20 and 17:36 Leeds to Manchester Piccadilly trains, are now six-carriages long rather than three
* You can get into work sooner with the 07:44 fast train from Leeds to Manchester arriving in the city within 49 minutes
* You’ve got more flexibility travelling home from work with a new 17:44 train from Leeds to Newcastle, going via York

What’s Happening at Liverpool?

* There’s loads more room with 38,000 extra seats per week between Liverpool and Manchester
* A new faster service every 12 minutes past the hour from Liverpool to Manchester, arriving in just over half an hour
* You’ve better links to major cities in the north with new hourly direct services to Newcastle
* Catering services will be on all trains to Newcastle between 07:00 and 19:00
* Trains to Newcastle now stop at Manchester Victoria, meaning you’re closer to places like the Arndale Centre, Football Museum, Northern Quarter and Phones4U Arena
* You can get to Manchester and Liverpool quicker, with journey times up to 18 minutes faster
* Journey times between Liverpool and Leeds are also up to 26 minutes faster
* Journey times between Newcastle and Liverpool are up to 43 minutes faster

What’s Happening at Manchester Airport?

* You’ve more flexibility when travelling from the airport, as trains to Scotland now run hourly throughout the day
* You’ll get to Leeds much quicker, with journey times to the city up to 8 minutes faster
* If you’re travelling from Wigan, you have much better links with Manchester with 14 services a day between Manchester Airport
* If you’re arriving at the airport in the evening, there’s a new late service from Manchester Airport to Edinburgh at 20:00
* Our new electric trains call at the station for services to Wigan, Preston, Cumbria and Scotland, providing more seats and more storage space for your luggage

What’s Happening at Manchester?

* You’ll have more flexibility when travelling to Leeds, with five services an hour throughout the day rather than four
* There’s much more room, with over one thousand more seats from Leeds to Manchester during peak-times
* You now have two services an hour between Manchester and Liverpool throughout the day
* There are 1,354 more seats throughout the day between Manchester and Sheffield
* Trains to Newcastle now stop at Manchester Victoria, meaning you’re closer to places like the Arndale Centre, Football Museum, Northern Quarter and Phones4U Arena
* There are new evening peak-time services from Leeds to Manchester Victoria at 16:44 and 17:44, and from Manchester Victoria to Leeds at 16:52 and 17:52
* The 17:25 Manchester Piccadilly to Leeds trains and the 17:20 and 17:36 Leeds to Manchester Piccadilly trains are now six-carriages rather than three
* If you’re heading home from work to Preston, there’s a non-stop express service from Manchester Piccadilly to Preston at 17:15
* A new faster service every 12 minutes past the hour from Liverpool to Manchester, arriving in just over half an hour

What’s Happening at Newcastle?

* There’s loads more room, with 8,000 extra seats per week between Newcastle and York
* There are now hourly direct services to Liverpool Lime Street, stopping at major cities including York, Leeds and Manchester Victoria
* Catering services will be on all trains to Liverpool between 07:00 and 19:00
* You can get to Newcastle and Liverpool quicker, with journey times up to 43 minutes faster
* You’ve got more flexibility travelling home from work with evening peak-time services becoming hourly, including a new 17:44 service
* For people travelling to Manchester Piccadilly and Manchester Airport, the station changes at Huddersfield are the same platform

What’s Happening at Preston?

* If you’re travelling back to Preston from Manchester in the evening, there’s a non-stop express service from Piccadilly station at 17:15
* There’s loads more room on our trains at weekends, with more six and eight-carriage trains on Saturdays and Sundays
* There’s a new 05:42 Preston to Glasgow Central service that gets into Glasgow much earlier at 08:17

What’s Happening at Sheffield?

* There’s loads more room with 1,354 more seats throughout the day between Manchester and Sheffield, especially during peak times

What’s Happening at York?

* You’ve more journey options when travelling to Leeds, with four services per hour to the city rather than three
* There are over a thousand more seats during peak times travelling between York and Leeds
* If you’re travelling towards Liverpool Lime Street, there are now two services per hour throughout the day
* You’ve more flexibility travelling to and from work with new peak-time services to Leeds at 08:15 and 17:15
* There’s a new last service to Scarborough at 22:42
* Trains to Liverpool now stop at Manchester Victoria, meaning you’re closer to places like the Arndale Centre, Football Museum, Northern Quarter and Phones4U Arena

http://www.tpexpress.co.uk/travel-information/may-2014-changes/

I wonder if they'll do a similar announcement for reduced capacity and less services next year if they don't get sufficient replacements for the 170/3s.
 
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They’re making it very clear that there’s “loads more room” then. ;)

I have to express a doubt as to what extent the new fifth train per hour will benefit existing busy peak-time trains from Leeds and Manchester especially. In my experience, demand for commuter travel is often focused on just a couple of specific trains at very particular times, and I’m not sure how much good introducing an extra trains each hour will do for this particular market.

I think I recall reading recently in Modern Railways that of the seven 185s that have been released from the Manchester to Scotland route, five are needed to operate the new service, which leaves just two for strengthening: Are the announced 6-car services the full extent of the strengthening that will take place with the 185s? Though at least most of the 170s will be running around in pairs now.
 

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I have to express a doubt as to what extent the new fifth train per hour will benefit existing busy peak-time trains from Leeds and Manchester especially. In my experience, demand for commuter travel is often focused on just a couple of specific trains at very particular times, and I’m not sure how much good introducing an extra trains each hour will do for this particular market.

One problem with the current timetable with the evening departures from Leeds is the 17:55 to Manchester Airport is rammed (with a lot of people only going as far as Huddersfield) while the 18:02 TPE departure only goes as far as Huddersfield and has empty seats, which is then followed by the 18:08 to Lime Street. (The departure before the 17:55 is the 17:40.)

Under the new timetable the Leeds departures are 17:36 (Man Picc), 17:44 (Lime Street via Vic), 17:53 (Man Airport) and then 18:09 (Lime Street via Picc.) I think this will actually makes things worse at platform 16 Leeds after the 17:36 (6 car) train has departed.
 
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'Seats per week' is a new one from the PR department?

Re-calculate it as the more familiar 'seats per day' or 'seats in the peak' (as used in recent announcements down south) and I bet the figures look a bit less useful...
 

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sprinterguy:1776558 said:
I have to express a doubt as to what extent the new fifth train per hour will benefit existing busy peak-time trains from Leeds and Manchester especially. In my experience, demand for commuter travel is often focused on just a couple of specific trains at very particular times, and I’m not sure how much good introducing an extra trains each hour will do for this particular market.

Well some people on those specific trains would prefer it to be later/earlier than they are now, so a train in between will surely cater well for those people
 

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What's happening at Bolton and Chorley?

Nothing, well nothing that repairs the damage anyway.
 

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Wigan gets a 07:56 TPE departure to Manchester Airport but the evening Manchester Airport departures for Wigan are 16:00 and then 18:00 as the 17:00 Manchester Airport-Glasgow will run Oxford Rd to Preston non-stop. I wonder how many people will catch the 17:03 Northern service from Manchester Piccadilly for Preston, which gets overtaken by the TPE 17:15 departure.
 

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Yeah I think they realised the timing of that particular service offered the prospect of a perfect storm of overcrowding, the Southport train at 5:22 is really packed. Frankly evening peak in Manchester is quite fluid though, you see a huge number of workers catching trains between 4 and 5, particularly at Piccadilly rather than Victoria which seems to have more traditional post 5 peak.
 
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Yeah I think they realised the timing of that particular service offered the prospect of a perfect storm of overcrowding, the Southport train at 5:22 is really packed. Frankly evening peak in Manchester is quite fluid though, you see a huge number of workers catching trains between 4 and 5, particularly at Piccadilly rather than Victoria which seems to have more traditional post 5 peak.

The Wigan passengers using the Airport-Scotland services instead of Airport-Southport services is the silver lining for the Bolton passengers, so the Bolton passengers using that Southport service won't see that benefit.

I also imagine a lot of Bolton passengers who just miss the 17:03 departure for Bolton will wait until the Southport service, rather than catching the Liverpool train to Oxford Rd where they can pick up the 17:14 Manchester Oxford Rd to Windermere service.

The peak time extra services tend to run between 16:30 to 18:30, which allows for working hours like 08:00-16:00, 08:00-16:30, 09:00-17:30 and 09:30-18:00.
 

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I note, with a wry smile, that there is no section of....

"What's happening at Middlesbrough ? "

There's also no Blackpool, Barrow, Windermere or Warrington sections.

One of the services they mention under Leeds as being 6 carriages is an ex-Middlesbrough service but I imagine it won't have 6 carriages in use before York.

How many Middlesbrough services have more passengers than seats north of York?
 

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How many Middlesbrough services have more passengers than seats north of York?

South from Middlesborough on a Saturday morning, and north from York on a Saturday evening. It's party time on those trains, I can tell you!
 
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