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There's a reasonably detailed (Daily Mail) article about his past.

He has been fined, had community service orders and ASBOs before, but was never jailed (other than an overnight for non-payment of a fine).
Hopefully he will take it a bit more seriously now.

Although chances are that once he's released he might resume his 'work'. I don't suspect that NR and any affected TOCs will be able to claim much money back from him using the civil courts because he probably doesn't have many 'assets' in his name.
 
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Hi all.

I believe it is time to bear all and to give you a small insight (and you wont like it).

I have been in prison (2 and a half years) 6 years ago (yes i do regret everything i did and luckily it put me back on the straight and narrow).

While i was inside i learnt a hell of alot , something that the public will never see.

Most of the people in there told me that the only reason they re offend is because they cant survive on the outside, they hate civilization as a whole.

Which i can quite see their point while inside you get 3 big meals a day, you get to go to work (and get paid for doing it) and then you get to go back to your cell and have a quick game on xbox ,ps2 or what ever you have, then its out for association to play pool and other games and chat to your fellow prisoners, then after 2 hours of that its back in your cell to watch a dvd that you want to watch, then maybe have another quick game before finally going to sleep and it all starting over again.

Always looking forward to Friday when canteen arrives what ever you ordered fags, drinks, food, shower gels you name it it was on that list and you could buy it (if you had the funds)

3 weeks before i was released a fellow prisoner i became friends with was being released, he said to me he will be back in before i'm released, i never saw him again.

I asked staff if he had decided to try and change and they said he had committed suicide because they gave him community service and not prison.

So anyway i hope that wasn't to long of a message i hope it answers a few of your questions about prison.

As i have said what i went to prison for is now in the past and in all honestly i am thankful that i went inside because it changed me and put me back on the straight path heaven knows what would of happened if i never went to prison.

All the best.

Simon
 

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Hi all.

I believe it is time to bear all and to give you a small insight (and you wont like it).

I have been in prison (2 and a half years) 6 years ago (yes i do regret everything i did and luckily it put me back on the straight and narrow).

While i was inside i learnt a hell of alot , something that the public will never see.

Most of the people in there told me that the only reason they re offend is because they cant survive on the outside, they hate civilization as a whole.

Which i can quite see their point while inside you get 3 big meals a day, you get to go to work (and get paid for doing it) and then you get to go back to your cell and have a quick game on xbox ,ps2 or what ever you have, then its out for association to play pool and other games and chat to your fellow prisoners, then after 2 hours of that its back in your cell to watch a dvd that you want to watch, then maybe have another quick game before finally going to sleep and it all starting over again.

Always looking forward to Friday when canteen arrives what ever you ordered fags, drinks, food, shower gels you name it it was on that list and you could buy it (if you had the funds)

3 weeks before i was released a fellow prisoner i became friends with was being released, he said to me he will be back in before i'm released, i never saw him again.

I asked staff if he had decided to try and change and they said he had committed suicide because they gave him community service and not prison.

So anyway i hope that wasn't to long of a message i hope it answers a few of your questions about prison.

As i have said what i went to prison for is now in the past and in all honestly i am thankful that i went inside because it changed me and put me back on the straight path heaven knows what would of happened if i never went to prison.

All the best.

Simon

Is that the whole truth? It would be interesting to see how it would affect parents and family outside.
I suspected many re-offended because it was nearly impossible to get work after going to prison - especially among the youth. Is there any truth in that>
 

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Is that the whole truth? It would be interesting to see how it would affect parents and family outside.
I suspected many re-offended because it was nearly impossible to get work after going to prison - especially among the youth. Is there any truth in that>

Yes that is the whole truth.

That is exactly what my daily life inside was like.

I currently have a family member in the same prison as i was and have visited him on a couple of occasions and have been able to see what familys and friends have to go through just to visit them.

I know a few ex cons that have come out (just like me) and been able to find work in any industry aslong as you have the determination and are willing to keep going when being shot down so many times then you will find work.

All the best.

Simon
 

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Re-offending must be high for those who don't want to come out (or can't adjust to normal life) or those who had nothing before they went in - and will consequently not be able to get back into normal life after.

I don't really agree with the relaxed lifestyle in some prisons (certainly not all!) but I definitely do believe you need to release people with a sense of self-worth and a purpose in life, and the means to 'go straight'. If they simply return to nothing, what incentive is there to try and make a honest go of things instead of going straight back to crime?
 

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It is a single person. It's someone called Daniel Halpin, and has been doing it since 2001. There have been a few copycats, but he is the actual TOX.

He may be the original, but there are plenty of copycats, which is what I meant.
I doubt he's constantly travelling all over the UK just to tag places repeatedly :lol:
 

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Does anyone know what inner gratification is achieved by these people after the application of their particular "mark". Have any psychological papers been published upon this type of vandalism and the possible chromosomal inbalance that may have affect their mental view of what we would consider abnormal behaviour.

The cave paintings in France that were done some 30,000 years ago were reflective of human development at that time, but one would have expected human evolution to have progressed far enough for that basic instinct to have lost its particular need of fulfilment.

Evidentially not .Perhaps the Neanderthals did not all finally die out in the caves of Gibraltar as has been thought, but a few remaining specimens are still surviving in urban Britain today.
 

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One interesting criticism of Network Fail was reported by the press some time ago - prisoners were training for P-way grades and lineside jobs.

For outsiders applying to Notwork Rail, it's impossible to get in as you are either told you...

- are not qualified for the job, and they don't train people for it.
- are too young or too old for an apprenticeship.
- are the right age but there weren't enough apprenticeships.

Network Jail practically send out a message that in order to get a job on the P-way with them, you should first of all take up armed robbery, joyriding or serial killing, prior to being your training as a Coss-lookout-flagperson.

Personally, I'd rob my local bank tomorrow, however Barclays turned it into a wine bar :(
 

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Does anyone know what inner gratification is achieved by these people after the application of their particular "mark".

Maybe its like dog peeing against a laamp post

The cave paintings in France that were done some 30,000 years ago were reflective of human development at that time,

It is thought they had some sort of religious significance
 

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I would be interested to see the relative cost of keeping him in prison for 27 months compared to the cost of removing graffiti.
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There's a reasonably detailed (Daily Mail) article about his past.

He has been fined, had community service orders and ASBOs before, but was never jailed (other than an overnight for non-payment of a fine).
Hopefully he will take it a bit more seriously now.

Incorrect I'm afraid:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8249419.stm
At the height of his spree Mr Halpin, from Stockwell, south London, spent four-and-a-half months in Feltham Young Offenders Institution
 

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He will come out of prison and start all over again, with a doubt. Anyone who thinks he'll come out “a changed man” and not feel the need/sensation to graffiti the railway is naive. I don’t know how old he is, but I suspect he’s relatively young; he’s been doing this for most of his life and will carry on when he comes out.
 
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Does anyone know what inner gratification is achieved by these people after the application of their particular "mark". Have any psychological papers been published upon this type of vandalism and the possible chromosomal inbalance that may have affect their mental view of what we would consider abnormal behaviour.

It's 'territorial p1ssing'. You'll find that taggers are almost exclusively young males. What starts off as a territorial thing develops into a thrill seeking exercise, that can become almost like a physical addiction. There may be some mileage in the idea that it's a mental imbalance whereby the individual ignores the consequences of their action.

I too have been through the criminal justice system and I too took the ****. I was given many chances to stop the pattern of criminality I'd got into before custody was considered an option, but in that period of my life, my work, financial and living arrangements were not improving, neither were my addictions. No one's fault but my own, I was given some opportunities to address my problems along with the necessary punishment elements, Community Service, curfews and probation. But I failed at those and thus gave the courts no option but to lock me up.

I then went through a period of continued criminality, in and out of prison and bail hostels with periods of homelessness in between. My offences were relatively petty and I was never sentenced to more than 7 months inside. My underlying problems weren't being addressed, mental health and alcoholism, so I remained, for a period of five years until 2005, unable to get out of the cycle of prison, hostel, homelessness, drink, crime, prison....

Finally after my last period of imprisonment I found myself in January 2006 released into the care of a 'Dry House' rehabilitation centre. I was able to address the drinking and recidivism and I finally broke the vicious circle. I had to, I was slowly killing myself. My personal circumstances are much improved now. Although I still struggle with the drink problem on occasions, I've not returned to crime. I now devote some of my time to voluntary work with young offenders, using my experiences to show to them that there are alternatives to a life of crime. Particularly pointing out that prison is no holiday camp. For the record - I never had a Playstation! In a couple of prisons I was in I never even had a telly!

One hopes that Daniel Halpin gets the opportunities to address his criminality whilst he is serving his custodial sentence. He will, in all likelihood, grow out of it, but with the right help he can be put onto the right path sooner rather than later. Prison should not just be about punishment (although that element is important for public confidence in the criminal justice system), it also needs to be about rehabilitation.

As for those advocating 'three strikes'. Let's only consider them for a string of more serious offences eh? Do you really want to see petty criminals given life sentences for say three instances of shoplifting, anti-social behaviour, or tagging? If you do, then be prepared for a massive increase in the prison population, which means more prisons to be built, which means an increase in taxes. That petty criminal may well be your son or daughter, slightly wayward in their teens having a couple of minor convictions to their name. Then one moment of madness in later life (say a drunken indescretion, or dangerous driving) and oh, look, this is the third time they are in court - life sentence. Bonkers idea.
 

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Perhaps the inevitable curfew/tag approach might be of some use here, as he's less likely to go out on his little sprees in broad daylight I would imagine?
 

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One interesting criticism of Network Fail was reported by the press some time ago - prisoners were training for P-way grades and lineside jobs.

For outsiders applying to Notwork Rail, it's impossible to get in as you are either told you...

- are not qualified for the job, and they don't train people for it.
- are too young or too old for an apprenticeship.
- are the right age but there weren't enough apprenticeships.

Network Jail practically send out a message that in order to get a job on the P-way with them, you should first of all take up armed robbery, joyriding or serial killing, prior to being your training as a Coss-lookout-flagperson.



That is, to put it finely, bollox.
 

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Perhaps the inevitable curfew/tag approach might be of some use here, as he's less likely to go out on his little sprees in broad daylight I would imagine?
In this case there are better options than prison. Whilst prison solves the symptoms of the crime (i.e. the individual cannot commit it inside the prison) it goes no way to actually solve the reason behind those crimes, which are more often than not, the failure of social services or CAMHS.
 

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He will come out of prison and start all over again, with a doubt. Anyone who thinks he'll come out “a changed man” and not feel the need/sensation to graffiti the railway is naive. I don’t know how old he is, but I suspect he’s relatively young; he’s been doing this for most of his life and will carry on when he comes out.

You know Mr Halpin do you? You can see into the future can you? Every criminal is always going to be a criminal are they? Or is it just Mr Halpin you are so certain about? You'll see from this thread alone that there are at least two people who are 'changed men'.

Addictions can be cured you know. Be they physical or mental. Or they can be channeled in a positive way. Criminality can be 'cured' with sufficient will and just a little more spending on rehabilitation. In the long run, it's cheaper to rehabilitate than continually lock someone up and fail to address their criminality.

Yes, Mr Halpin may re-offend when he's released next year (anytime between 9-13½ months if he sticks to the rules inside), but as I can't see into the future like Rich, I can't say that with such certainty. If I could see into the future I could say he will become a changed man. I don't know either way, none of us do. So it's equally naïve to express such certainty about how Mr Halpin will act in the future.
 
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It goes no way to actually solve the reason behind those crimes, which are more often than not, the failure of social services or CAMHS.

I was interested to read the long posting by bnm and how his early life showed similarities of minor criminality to that of Halpin.

The detail of the "Dry House" rehabilitation centre and its treatment, which he stated was the turning point in his life, was thought-provoking. How many of these centres are in existance.
 

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The detail of the "Dry House" rehabilitation centre and its treatment, which he stated was the turning point in his life, was thought-provoking. How many of these centres are in existance.

In my opinion, not enough. Mr Halpin doesn't appear, from various reports, to have a substance addiction. His 'addiction' is, in my opinion, more a mental one. I've worked with young offenders who have had convictions for graffiti/tagging, and there are many similarities in their behaviour to that of someone with a substance addiction.

Unfortunately, many of the agencies that work with young or ex-offenders are currently facing local authority funding cuts and some are being forced to close. The knock on effect of this, is that the criminal justice system becomes the only place to get rehabilitative help. There simply aren't the resources available in prisons to do this rehabilitation work. In many prisons there isn't even work available for every inmate. So prisoners, (particularly those on shorter sentences) just spend their sentence banged up for all but a couple of hours a day, Only coming out of their cells for meal collection, one hours association and one hours exercise.

For the record, the place that saved me from myself is:

http://www.stvincentshousing.org.uk/index.php

Eternally grateful.
 
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Is it a matter of expressing one's identity? So many children live in vast anonymous housing estates and go to vast anonymous schools.
 

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Is it a matter of expressing one's identity? So many children live in vast anonymous housing estates and go to vast anonymous schools.
Possibly. Certainly in places where there are walls and things where they can paint legally, illegal graffiti has decreased.
 

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Catching these graffiti 'artists'/taggers at an early age and channeling their urges into positive community projects is one answer. Here in Bristol there are a few projects that do just that.

My local line has seen artwork from 'street artists' brighten up dull stations. Admittedly there still remains a noticeable problem with illegal graffiti on railway property. Some high profile policing wouldn't go amiss here. Find, catch and prosecute those responsible, punish them with relevant Community Payback*, and get them involved in worthwhile community artwork schemes. Direct and channel those urges. Of course persistent offenders, and those that ignore previous directions from a court need to be given a custodial sentence when all else has failed. But even then work should continue to be done, both inside prison and upon release, to rehabilitate.

I'm talking generalities here. Daniel Halpin's tags have little artistic merit, but that doesn't mean his urge to spray hither and thither can't be channeled. Who knows, he might turn out to be another Eine or Banksy!!!


*In the Bristol area, Severnside Community Rail Partnership work with the Probation Service, using offenders on Community Payback to carry out various projects at stations in the area.
 

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Catching these graffiti 'artists'/taggers at an early age and channeling their urges into positive community projects is one answer. Here in Bristol there are a few projects that do just that.

Something they can point to and say "I did that."
 

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I remember watching the tube documentary series and he took up half a episode, then we visited London the next summer and we saw 4 busses and god knows how many bridges with his "Tag" on
 

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Good hes been put inside for this, his TOX tags are like a plague over London. Ill wait and see whether we will start seeing TOX13 tags around when hes released in 2013 (although it would most probably be earlier for "good behaviour").
 

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I wish they'd catch Inch who has generally tagged most of the north east of England, not just the railway, but road bridges, walls etc.

:-x:-x:-x

Don't think I've seen any of his stuff in a while, the scene seems to have changed in the past few years.

At least we don't (yet?) have the same scale of graffiti problem that NYC had in the 70s/80s.
 

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And where is the deterrent for others with that sentence.
Yes, lets let him work on the railway so he can learn more about the workings of it. So when he is finished he can start all over again.
Maybe while he is in prison he can think about the stupidness of his crimes, not to mention the danger

Peter waterman got his first job on the railways after being caught nicking bits and cleaning them up....
 
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