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R4_GRN

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Just watched BBC programme on the death of steam which finished with shots of Tornado.

There are two copper pipes which I think exit from the cylinder? Can anyone tell me what they are for? Why do they point forward into the airstream rather than pointing backwards which would help dissipate the steam?

Seen other steam locomotives and their pipes point forwards too?
 
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Just watched BBC programme on the death of steam which finished with shots of Tornado.

There are two copper pipes which I think exit from the cylinder? Can anyone tell me what they are for? Why do they point forward into the airstream rather than pointing backwards which would help dissipate the steam?

Seen other steam locomotives and their pipes point forwards too?

Iam no expert, but could they be the piping connected to the cylinder drain valves, perhaps the valves are in the closed position when the locomotive is running hence the airstream effect is irrelevant? I stand to be corrected here if this is not the case.
 

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They are indeed the Cylinder Drain Cocks, only opened when the engine has been static for a period of time, allowing for water to build up in the cylinders. Steam passing through them then forces the water out, and they are shut after about a minute or two of running at low speeds.

They are used at higher speeds in other circumstances, but I'm not a fitter or driver so can't profess to know exactly what they are
 

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Cylinder Drain Cocks, always faced forward on BR loco's, however in the USA they faced outwards! Used for clearing water/condensation in the cylinders on steam loco's. Water in a cyclinder as you will be aware will not compress and hence bent con rods or blown out cylinder casing ends can result so hence the drain cocks fitted. Also they can be used at any speed in addition to cold starts or lengthy station stops, example would be when water in the boiler was allowed to "get out of site" or in the top nut as we called it in BR days, water could carry over via the regulator valve in the dome via the steam pipe which feeds the cylinders with steam, if a loco is fitted with super heater elements water can enter from the steam header in the smokebox (front end) and continue to expand with steam. The outcome of this could be difficulty or non ability to stop the loco from moving even when it is screwed down with the brake, can also result in bent rods etc! A good driver and his mate up front would have the job in hand and never get into that state! Cylinder drain cocks are usually closed as soon as possible after moving off but there is no one answer as it is all dictated by loco conditions, boiler water level, wheel slip and water carry over risk, salts in the water which produce foaming effect or a loco overdue a boiler washout etc, one particular loco BR STD Class 8 71000 Duke of Gloucester had its cylinders lubricated by atomised steam via the drain cocks so the lever to shut off the drain cock steam needed particular accuracy in order to reduce wear to the inside of the cylinder piston rings. Also operation of the drain cocks should be used occasionally when being dragged in light steam, this reduces back pressure within the system. Sorry for lengthy reply but it cant be answered in a one liner but a simple but complex operation by a skilled footplate team deserved a complex answer. Happy days I remember them well!!!!
 
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Cylinder Drain Cocks, always faced forward on BR loco's, however in the USA they faced outwards! Used for clearing water/condensation in the cylinders on steam loco's. Water will not compress and hence bent con rods or blown out cylinder casing ends if not utilised correctly. Also used at any speed in addition to cold starts or lengthy station stops, example would be when water in the boiler was allowed to "get out of site" or in the top nut as we called it in BR days, water could carry over via the regulator valve in the dome into the steam pipe which feeds the cylinders with steam,

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Sorry for lengthy reply but it could be answered in a one liner but a complex operation by a skilled footplate team deserved a complex answer. Happy days!!!

Thanks for that. Very informative.
 

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Brilliant answer, completely answers my question, thanks, much appreciated
 

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A number of Australian railways adopted the sideways drain cocks too. I was told that they were often used whilst passing over wooden trestles to keep them damp to reduce the fire risk.
 
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