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paulkidger

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Can someone help. When trains are topped and tailed, for example certain excursion trains, the RHTT and the LUT delivery trains, are the locos at the tail, unmanned and hauled dead, or are they expected to provide some 'push' . If they do provide 'push' then what is there in the way of communication between it and the lead loco?
 
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Can someone help. When trains are topped and tailed, for example certain excursion trains, the RHTT and the LUT delivery trains, are the locos at the tail, unmanned and hauled dead, or are they expected to provide some 'push' . If they do provide 'push' then what is there in the way of communication between it and the lead loco?
I always understood that top and tail meant the rear loco was 'dead', though may be providing Electric Train Supply. If the rear loco is powering and controllable from the front then it's push-pull working. If the rear loco can power but is not controlled from the front, then it's 'assisting' and would hace its own driver. Some steam charters/tours work like this where there is a diesel on the back supplying ETS and sometimes assisting with power on harsher gradients particularly in adverse weather conditions, giving a light shove.

Further to that, two or more locos at the front all powering and controlled by one driver is working in multiple, while the same arrangement but with each loco controlled separately is 'in tandem' working.
 

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I have certainly seen 37s working in unison front and rear of a Network Rail test train. I believe the rear loco wasn't staffed and assumed the stock was through wired for the purpose.

Equally I have seen manual radio control (crews communicating by radio) between front and back on a charter.

The tail loco on infrastructure workings is often shut down.
 

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If they do provide 'push' then what is there in the way of communication between it and the lead loco?
I believe the rear loco wasn't staffed and assumed the stock was through wired for the purpose.

Equally I have seen manual radio control (crews communicating by radio) between front and back on a charter.
These are the two most common methods, yes. "Through wired" here means that the wagons in the train have the multiple-unit control cable wired through them so that the locomotives can be connected at each end in the same way they would be if they were next to eachother. This arrangement is usually only used on wagons that are frequently push-pulled, as the through wiring is not currently standard.

Some operators overseas use technologies like Locotrol that carry the lead locomotive's control signals by radio to an indefinite number of 'slave' units, but I don't believe it's ever been used in Britain.
 
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