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Tony Blackburn, - surely not.

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News today seems to be saying that Tony Blackburn has been sacked for a dispute over the content of a report on a Saville (related) 'event' 1971. There are no details being given before the release of the report later today.

Of all the BBC DJs of that era, I think that most would regard Blackburn (however naff he may be) as one of the least likely to be involved, yet one who the BBC could least afford to lose.
 
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The issue, as Blackburn tells it, is that he is adamant he was never interviewed about the incident, and that the allegations were withdrawn. The report author believes that he was, and has found records to suggest that he was, and the BBC have dismissed him for lying. Interesting to see how this one pans out...

I would imagine that plenty of high profile figures have had dalliances with groupies which may or may not be seen as ethical.
 

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Mrs Greenback has always thought that he would be linked in some way to Savile, either solely by allegation or with some kind of evidence.

I think that any public figure, especially those linked to the music industry, are in danger of being accused of doing something they shouldn't have decades ago.
 

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I thought he'd died when I opened the thread. As for these allegations it's a case of innocent until proven guilty.

Something is off as surely the BBC would suspend him pending an investigation?
 

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Well, I always thought that Savile was a slimy turd, but I also suspect that plenty of "under-age" groupies saw it as some kind of trophy hunting to "get" well known musicians & personalities.
 

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The only two stars of that era that remain safe are Forsythe and Dodd

Is that the same Bruce Forsyth who spent most of the 60s cheating on his first wife with a succession of teenage girls?
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I also suspect that plenty of "under-age" groupies saw it as some kind of trophy hunting to "get" well known musicians & personalities.

They still do. You can see any number of young teenage girls who'd sell their mothers into slavery to have one night with One Direction. One of my colleague's proudest achievements was sleeping with her favourite pop star when she was 18.

The sensible pop stars don't get involved, or at least make sure they're of legal age before getting involved.
 
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An ex girlfriend of mine was overjoyed at being seduced by a well known pop star of the day at the age of 15. She did look a lot older, though i didn't know her until she was 20, and said pop star had no idea that she was under the legal age of consent.

Then again, it all may have just been a fantasy of hers, who can tell? If it was true, then I can imagine why she might change her mind a couple of decades down the line and decide that it was abuse, she had been taken advantage of, she didn't really want to do it, and so on.

This is why I'm not really in favour of raking up incidents from over 40 years ago. It's impossible to find out the truth and reality of the situation after such a period of time, and that's why there needs to be some sort of time limit on reporting offences.

That won't help Mr Blackburn, of course. I've never particularly liked him, but at the same time I don't want to see him hung out to dry by an organisation that is clearly trying to make sure that it appears in the best possible light following Savile and Hall. Not unless there is something serious and concrete against him, anyway
 

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Is that the same Bruce Forsyth who spent most of the 60s cheating on his first wife with a succession of teenage girls?

Those were allegations - nothing was ever firmly proved. Regardless if it was true or not, him and Doddy seem to be the only ones who haven't been brought up as part of Yewtree
 

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I spent the summer of 1967 working in a Wimpy Bar in Minehead as a waiter, having abandoned any plans for university etc after a bout of glandular fever laid me low for six months.
As a Londoner, aged 19, and pop-obsessed, and working in the job I had, I came to know a lot of the local girls, although I was held back by natural reticence and the fact I'd been to a single sex school then still run on Edwardian if not Victorian lines.
Every week that summer concerts took place at a local venue, always with a group which was, or had been, in the Top 10, so all were well-known names, although obviously not the Beatles or Stones. I went to almost all of them, but unfortunately I could not always afford to go in, so listened from the outside.
It was all locals that attended, plus 'squaddies' that got lorried in on occasion, the Butlins' holidaymakers seemingly preferring their own 'entertainment', so one saw the same people week in, week out, probably only 50 to 100 in number, Amongst them was a girl well known locally, aged 13. She came from a rather troubled background, and was living with her grandmother and brother and, frankly, was rather out of control. She always wore her school uniform, I'm sure the only reason for this being that these were the only clothes she had, and she probably had the same skirt she'd had at 11. Now. the Summer of Love hadn't got as far down as Minehead then, so miniskirts were mostly the just-above-knee length as pioneered by Jean Shrimpton, so this microskirt certainly set her apart. Anyway, getting to the point, at every gig she would make herself available to members of the visiting band, and often be taken quite openly to their van by one such. She then regaled everybody with her exploits afterwards: only once was she denied, by the Pretty Things, whose members were in the main a bit older than in the other groups, and she complained loudly about that! She did, by the way, look her age, so none of those band members could have said they were taken in!
 

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The more that comes out about this report it seems that it's like most others before it ie:
A total whitewash.
The judge was hand picked by the BBC and no doubt softened up beforehand as the establishment BBC must be protected at any costs.
The alleged victims see it as a whitewash and they're the only ones who have any insight and knowledge of what really happened.

As regards Tony Blackburn he has been offered up as a sacrifice just because he's almost the last of the 60's/70's disc jockeys area still around.
Nobody the other day was talking much about the squeaky clean bosses/ managers who most certainly knew/know what was going on and covered it up it was all about Tony Blackburn so job done.

It stinks.
 

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An ex girlfriend of mine was overjoyed at being seduced by a well known pop star of the day at the age of 15. She did look a lot older, though i didn't know her until she was 20, and said pop star had no idea that she was under the legal age of consent.

Then again, it all may have just been a fantasy of hers, who can tell? If it was true, then I can imagine why she might change her mind a couple of decades down the line and decide that it was abuse, she had been taken advantage of, she didn't really want to do it, and so on.

This is why I'm not really in favour of raking up incidents from over 40 years ago. It's impossible to find out the truth and reality of the situation after such a period of time, and that's why there needs to be some sort of time limit on reporting offences.

That won't help Mr Blackburn, of course. I've never particularly liked him, but at the same time I don't want to see him hung out to dry by an organisation that is clearly trying to make sure that it appears in the best possible light following Savile and Hall. Not unless there is something serious and concrete against him, anyway

Yes I totally agree with you about raking up allegations from decades ago which cannot possibly be proven.

I've always quite liked Tony Blackburn and I suspect he is just a scapegoat here although I'll try to keep an open mind. I never much liked Stuart Hall although I did feel some sympathy towards him until he suddenly decided to admit the allegations that he had strenuously denied, the telling factor being allegations from numerous people who didn't know each other.
 

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The more that comes out about this report it seems that it's like most others before it ie:
A total whitewash.
The judge was hand picked by the BBC and no doubt softened up beforehand as the establishment BBC must be protected at any costs.
The alleged victims see it as a whitewash and they're the only ones who have any insight and knowledge of what really happened.

As regards Tony Blackburn he has been offered up as a sacrifice just because he's almost the last of the 60's/70's disc jockeys area still around.
Nobody the other day was talking much about the squeaky clean bosses/ managers who most certainly knew/know what was going on and covered it up it was all about Tony Blackburn so job done.

It stinks.
I'm not really sure about that. In the general run of things, given the choice between conspiracy and cock-up, I assume cock-up every time.
The behaviour of some people at the time was abhorrent, and certainly not acceptable today. But, in those days it was seen as no big thing - this was the blossoming of the "Summer of Love", when "anything went" (Though we should remember that that was mostly a myth put around by those involved in the relevant industries to justify their shenanigans). I very much doubt whether anyone would have thought it worth reporting up the chain. In other words, while no one was squeaky clean, very few would have been as depraved as Saville and Hall. And Blackburn? He was sacked for refusing to work with the enquiry apparently - probably an idealistic innocent.
And yes - the victims are the only ones who know what happened to them. But they know nothing about who beyond them knew what. I feel sorry that what was a monumental horror for them might have been seen as nothing much to others. Those were the days.
 

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I'd agree. I don't think there was a conspiracy or a cover up. People will have turned a blind eye, or decided their gut instinct was wrong, as they were powerful people and you don't upset the talent. But that's not the same thing at all.

As for the victims, my partner works with some of them. The way some claim "they're after the money" properly boils my blood.
 

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I happen to believe Blackburn when he says he was never interviewed by the two people named in the report, and it was on the basis of his denial that Dame Janet Smith found his evidence unconvincing, which led directly to his dismissal from the BBC. Whether he ever had contact with the girl who later killed herself, nobody else will probably ever know.

Blackburn has been on a media offensive, but one question I would like him to be asked by a largely sympathetic press is 'What do you remember about girls wearing teddy bear badges in the early 1970s?'
 

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The BBC claims to have a typewritten memo regarding an interview Tony Blackburn denies took place. But regardless of whether the interview really happened, how difficult is it to type up a memo anyway ?

I suspect the guy has been condemned purely on the basis of something that may be difficult or possibly impossible to prove.

Here's an old newspaper advert from the 1980s.

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Or did I print it onto an old bit of chip paper and photocopy it a few weeks ago ?

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The BBC claims to have a typewritten memo regarding an interview Tony Blackburn denies took place. But regardless of whether the interview really happened, how difficult is it to type up a memo anyway ?

I suspect the guy has been condemned purely on the basis of something that may be difficult or possibly impossible to prove.

I would imagine that faking something to look like it was typed in the 1970s - and to be convincing - would be pretty hard. Not only do you have the problem of finding some suitable old paper - and then matching it up with and filing it with existing documents from the time, but my memory of typewriters is that they tend to leave slight indents in the paper, which modern photocopiers and printers do not. I think you'd have a hard time reproducing that. Not impossible, but requiring the time and resources that wouldn't make sense unless you have a very serious motivation to incriminate someone or to forge something.

But in the context of this thread this is very speculative since I don't believe we know exactly what the evidence was that caused the BBC to believe Tony Blackburn was not telling the truth, or how convincing that evidence was.
 
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The BBC claims to have a typewritten memo regarding an interview Tony Blackburn denies took place. But regardless of whether the interview really happened, how difficult is it to type up a memo anyway ?

It would be relatively easy to make a passable copy of a memo, a lot harder to forge one.

But the main question, of course, would be who would go to the effort?
 

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It would be relatively easy to make a passable copy of a memo, a lot harder to forge one.

But the main question, of course, would be who would go to the effort?

Effort ? You could knock one up in less than an hour with a little bit of technical knowledge, very very easy thing to do.

Forgery is a large expanding industry in this country with countless web-sites on line via just a few clicks.
 
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The BBC knows for definite that Tony Blackburn had a one-off interview in 1971 they maintain. Strange then that they had no idea whatsoever that Jimmy Savile was apparently engaged in a one-man sexual conquest of every teenager that passed through the doors of Television Centre for 40 years.

The whole affair stinks of a massive cover-up to protect well known establishment figures so nothing new there then.
 
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