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TOCs with no union recognition

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Bill57p9

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"Recognising a trade union" refers to collective bargaining. Reps can still represent members without recognition - and have a detailed understanding of the employee relations environment, T&C's, etc.
Obviously formal representation gives the union more influence through representing a (proportionally large) group of employees.

I believe recognition can be forced in UK if 50% of a trade group are members of a single union. A ballot with a majority in favour would also be involved however I can't remember whether that is of members only or all affected employees.

Something else to bear in mind is that a TU has no obligation to (though they may) provide representation for a matter pre-dating their membership, such as joining after an incident or redundancy announcement. My (non railway but recognised) place had an interesting example recently of two employees in the same role, one member one non-member, who were having their roles regraded, eyeing promotion. Following the union supporting the case, the member was promoted but the non-member wasn't. The non-member joined, then requested union representation to support their case.
 
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The non-member joined, then requested union representation to support their case.
The only thing that boils my p*$$ more than people who do that is union reps who take on the case.
 

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Which TOCs don’t have union recognition? I didn’t think there were any unless we’re talking about open access operators. Thanks
 

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I believe it's loram and I maybe mixing my words up as they're open access?

Could you still be an aslef member if they don't recognize it, and if so what protection/benefits would this give you?
 

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Not always about representation after an incident or collective bargaining etc.
At one toc I worked, a certain number of people had to be allowed leave and I had a day declined. Because the driver complement had gone up , so had the minimum number for leave and I didn't realise. Out of the blue the union got it sorted with rosters and emailed me in and phoned me and I got the day. On the railway the union also scrutinize diagrams and highlight and refuse any that are illegal or that do not comply with agreements.
 
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