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TOC/FOC Company Issued Bags

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E_Reeves

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Hi all,

I have noticed that the majority of TOC and FOC drivers and staff have nearly the same style bags with the front being a reflective orange. I have also noticed that some staff have plain black bags with no reflectors. Are there any guidelines on what bags staff carry. Do they need to use the company issued ones or are they allowed to use their own?

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The golden (or bright orange :D ) rules seem to be as follows:

1) Bags must not obstruct the minimum specified surface areas of high-visibility clothing which may need to be worn (these surface areas being specified in the standards for the clothing). Thus staff who may need to carry equipment in rucksacks over hi-vis vests/jackets whilst on or near the line should be in possession of a bag which replicates the surface of the hi-vis clothing which they are wearing. In addition it is also mandatory for a logo of the employer/training sponsor to be affixed to the rear of hi-vis clothing used on the railway.

2) Bags should not be able to trap the user by getting caught in machinery or a moving train, so they should either be provided with emergency release tabs on the straps, or not need to be worn across the body. (Railway clothing manufactured in line with GO/RT standards conforms to this, either through the stitching or emergency poppers/tabs).

There are some members of train crew, such as conductors who do not have to access their trains using walking routes through rolling stock depots, who wouldn't routinely have to carry equipment trackside. For this reason the TOC may choose to issue bags in black or company colours, which often hide dirt better than orange ones and therefore look smarter. However, anyone who routinely has to carry their job's equipment in a bag (such as a rucksack) across the body should be provided with protective equipment which replicates the appropriate level of visibility and snag resistance.

There would appear to be a fair amount of flexibility across the different TOCs regarding people using and wearing their own bags. Some TOCs insist on a disclaimer being signed for any incidents arising as a result of the employee's own bag. Others simply monitor whether it could cover hi-vis clothing or if it could entangle the employee in machinery. Some people do not find the standard hi-vis rucksacks to be particularly ergonomic or suit their work well, so it may be less distracting and more efficient to use a different bag. Even some bags used for specific roles on the railway are supplied in designs somewhat different from the ubiquitous orange crew bag - consider the blue COSS or lookout bags supplied to some NR / contractor staff, for example.
 
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We can use our own bags if we wan't but company issued ones seem to come in two styles.

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Can fit a lot in this one but quality is terrible. Shoulder straps comes apart too easily and zips constantly break.

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This is slightly smaller thus can't fit quite as much in but quality much better. Bigger and thicker zips that so far haven't been a problem.
 
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ComUtoR

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I hate my work bag with a passion. It's the biggest piece of **** I've ever had the displeasure to own. I'm on my fourth since they changed from the old drivers bags.

I really with the TOC's would stop buying ****e equipment.

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I have the bottom version
 
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The all over orange bags made by Bodyguard and issued by Network Rail (as per the top photo in the above post) are appalling quality. I am on my seventh in three years, the straps rip off at the seams with even the slightest weight in them. Avoid.
 

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Im just grateful we have rucksacks now. Hated the sturdy bags as I take mine home as often rely on connecting trains or on a bike & no time to faff about with messrooms, signing off & all that.
 

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I once had the fortune to acquire what I presume was intended as a P-way bag. It was hi-viz orange all over, but made from a fully weatherproofed, coated material - rather like the stuff a bouncy castle is made of. It was tough as well, lasted me ages. Eventually the surfaces of the material split/cracked in a few places, but it was by a long shot the best railway-issue kit bag I've had so far!
 

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On LU, we are issued with a orange bag but it falls apart within weeks and you can't actually fit that much in them. The vast majority of us use our own bags. I've always preferred a shoulder bag rather than a rucksack.
 

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Had both of those bags in the pictures issued to me in the past. The bottom one is better but can get full quickly if your carrying around stuff like a lunch box or extra item of clothing. The quality is much better than the top one as previously noted.
 
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