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Jim James

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It still seems to be wrong. Yes Konectbus Ltd still exists as a company But GoAhead Holding Ltd is new Central Connect Transport Sercvices and registered wityh a Diss address BUt Central Connect Transport Service already exist as a different company and with a different address so someone has messed up surprised companies house has not spotted it
 
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2 weeks on and the Go Ahead logo is still on the website at the top although the bottom has been updated. On FB they've removed the logo but the text still says "Konectbus is part of Go East Anglia, the Go Ahead Group". No announcement on social media or website.

I know a new website isn't priority #1 but these are small jobs....
 

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It still seems to be wrong. Yes Konectbus Ltd still exists as a company But GoAhead Holding Ltd is new Central Connect Transport Sercvices and registered wityh a Diss address BUt Central Connect Transport Service already exist as a different company and with a different address so someone has messed up surprised companies house has not spotted it
Konectbus Ltd and Go Ahead Holdings Ltd both still exist unchanged. However the shares in Konectbus Ltd were sold by Go Ahead to Central Connect Transport Ltd, which hasn't changed either. Although Central Connect has a registered address in Nottingham, that is of their accountants. Using an address where the directors can be contacted directly is definitely allowed. The Diss address is of Simonds' base, a part of TMS like Central Connect.

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2 weeks on and the Go Ahead logo is still on the website at the top although the bottom has been updated. On FB they've removed the logo but the text still says "Konectbus is part of Go East Anglia, the Go Ahead Group". No announcement on social media or website.

I know a new website isn't priority #1 but these are small jobs....
Unfortunately they are not small jobs.
The Go Ahead logo is part of the background image and not just text.
The Konectbus websites are Go Ahead's, but part of the purchase agreement will have included a clause(s) about continuing use of various things until ??
Konectbus services still run unchanged, but staff are now paid by Central Connect, parts / fuel etc. by Central Connects suppliers, ...
Both websites are actually produced by Passenger Ltd. Altering anything costs significant money.
There is a stated plan to make some alterations to services in the new year, which may well coincide with announcing the changed ownership, brand relabeling, ...
There will be plans to alter depot use with the availability of TMS's existing depots in the area.
 
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Unfortunately they are not small jobs.
The Go Ahead logo is part of the background image and not just text.
The Konectbus websites are Go Ahead's, but part of the purchase agreement will have included a clause(s) about continuing use of various things until ??
Konectbus services still run unchanged, but staff are now paid by Central Connect, parts / fuel etc. by Central Connects suppliers, ...
Both websites are actually produced by Passenger Ltd. Altering anything costs significant money.
There is a stated plan to make some alterations to services in the new year, which may well coincide with announcing the changed ownership, brand relabeling, ...
There will be plans to alter depot use with the availability of TMS's existing depots in the area.

The facebook one really is a small job, whoever runs the social media just changed the logo and didn't alter the text in their bio.

Just looked at the source code on the konectbus site and the "Part of Go Ahead" logo is just an embedded image on the bar so wouldn't be a hard swap but yes you're right it depends what contract they have in place with Passenger Ltd.
 

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One thing that is evident is that the websites are on different packages - the Central Connect is on the "MyTrip" package which is aimed at smaller companies (I think the MyTrip app may be a shared platform with other smaller operators), so is in effect the Passenger "Basic" package. The Konectbus/Konectbuses sites will be on the "Premium" package, which comes with a stand-alone operator app.

It may be that TMS need to bring everything together under one roof on one website - whether that is one site for all services across East Anglia or they go for the Transdev option (when they were on Passenger) and have one front page with separate sub-sites for each division.

Looking at Simonds and Flagfinders, they both have used separate web developers each - but that comes with the disadvantage of no in-site tracking.
 

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One thing that is evident is that the websites are on different packages - the Central Connect is on the "MyTrip" package which is aimed at smaller companies (I think the MyTrip app may be a shared platform with other smaller operators), so is in effect the Passenger "Basic" package. The Konectbus/Konectbuses sites will be on the "Premium" package, which comes with a stand-alone operator app.

It may be that TMS need to bring everything together under one roof on one website - whether that is one site for all services across East Anglia or they go for the Transdev option (when they were on Passenger) and have one front page with separate sub-sites for each division.

Looking at Simonds and Flagfinders, they both have used separate web developers each - but that comes with the disadvantage of no in-site tracking.
At the moment it is a bit of a mess. It appears Central Connect brand all public bus service as Central Connect but they do not show them all on the Central Connect Web site. Hopefully now they have taken over Konect they will sort it all out
 

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Yep and again not expecting a new website overnight, just surprised both Central Connect and Go Ahead are happy with the old logo still being up.
 

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TMS Operating Centres (A few appear to be down twice but with different number of vehicles)
Sorted by Postcode

Operating centrePostcodeVehiclesBus Times.Org
NORTH WEALD AIRFIELD, MERLIN WAY, NORTH WEALD, EPPING, CM16 6HR, GBCM16 6HR10
6 MAPLE RIVER INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, RIVER WAY, HARLOW, CM20 2DP, GBCM20 2DP20
6 MAPLE RIVER INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, RIVER WAY, HARLOW, CM20 2DP, GBCM20 2DP25
Galleon Travel, Start Hill Road, Stansted, CM22 7DW, GBCM22 7DW32
START HILL ROAD, STANSTED, CM22 7DW, GBCM22 7DW20
GARDNER TRAVEL, MAIN ROAD, RETTENDON COMMON, CHELMSFORD, CM3 8DZ, GBCM3 8DZ9
267 COGGESHALL ROAD, BRAINTREE, CM7 9EF, GBCM7 9EF16
CHAMBERS, MEEKINGS ROAD, SUDBURY, CO10 2XE, GBCO10 2XE,32
28​
HEDINGHAM OMNIBUSES, 14 BRUNEL ROAD, CLACTON ON SEA, CO15 4LU, GBCO15 4LU8
HEDINGHAM OMNIBUSES, 2 STEPHENSON ROAD, GORSE LANE INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, CLACTON-ON-SEA, CO15 4XA, GBCO15 4XA55
HEDINGHAM OMNIBUSES, 215-217 HIGH STREET, KELVEDON, COLCHESTER, CO5 9JT, GBCO5 9JT25
20​
14 STATION ROAD, KELVEDON, COLCHESTER, CO5 9NP, GBCO5 9NP9
LITTLE STUBLEYS FARM, SUDBURY ROAD, HALSTEAD, CO9 2BB, GBCO9 2BB16
HEDINGHAM OMNIBUSES, WETHERSFIELD ROAD, SIBLE HEDINGHAM, HALSTEAD, CO9 3LB, GBCO9 3LB26
15​
ROSWALD HOUSE, OAK DRIVE, DISS, IP22 4GX, GBIP22 4GX50
COACH SERVICES LTD, 1A HOWLETT WAY, THETFORD, IP24 1HZ, GBIP24 1HZ1
21 JUBILEE DRIVE, LOUGHBOROUGH, LE11 5XS, GBLE11 5XS15
THE BUNGALOW, THE OLD DAIRY, MEADOW LANE, LONG EATON, NG10 2FE, GBNG12FE12
UNIT 1, UPPER SAXONDALE BUSINESS PARK, HENSON LANE, CROPWELL BUTLER, NOTTINGHAM, NG12 2LE, GBNG12LE£10
POSTWICK PARK & RIDE, YARMOUTH ROAD, POSTWICK, NORWICH, NR13 5NP, GBNR13 5NP3
7 JOHN GOSHAWK ROAD, RASHES GREEN INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, DEREHAM, NR19 1SY, GBNR19 1SY70
HARFORD PARK & RIDE, IPSWICH ROAD, NORWICH, NR4 6US, GBNR4 6US3
10 ANSON ROAD, NORWICH, NR6 6ED, GBNR6 6ED30
SWAFFHAM RUGBY CLUB, NORTH PICKENHAM ROAD, SWAFFHAM, PE37 7QX, GBPE37 7QX2
3 CONDOR COURT, EAGLE BUSINESS PARK, HARRIER WAY, YAXLEY, PETERBOROUGH, PE7 3WL, GBPE7 3WL12
THE BUS AND COACH HUB, ROBERT WAY, WICKFORD, SS11 8DD, GBSS11 8DD8
Totals519
 

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TMS Operating Centres (A few appear to be down twice but with different number of vehicles)
Sorted by Postcode

Operating centrePostcodeVehiclesBus Times.Org
NORTH WEALD AIRFIELD, MERLIN WAY, NORTH WEALD, EPPING, CM16 6HR, GBCM16 6HR10
6 MAPLE RIVER INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, RIVER WAY, HARLOW, CM20 2DP, GBCM20 2DP20
6 MAPLE RIVER INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, RIVER WAY, HARLOW, CM20 2DP, GBCM20 2DP25
Galleon Travel, Start Hill Road, Stansted, CM22 7DW, GBCM22 7DW32
START HILL ROAD, STANSTED, CM22 7DW, GBCM22 7DW20
GARDNER TRAVEL, MAIN ROAD, RETTENDON COMMON, CHELMSFORD, CM3 8DZ, GBCM3 8DZ9
267 COGGESHALL ROAD, BRAINTREE, CM7 9EF, GBCM7 9EF16
CHAMBERS, MEEKINGS ROAD, SUDBURY, CO10 2XE, GBCO10 2XE,32
28​
HEDINGHAM OMNIBUSES, 14 BRUNEL ROAD, CLACTON ON SEA, CO15 4LU, GBCO15 4LU8
HEDINGHAM OMNIBUSES, 2 STEPHENSON ROAD, GORSE LANE INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, CLACTON-ON-SEA, CO15 4XA, GBCO15 4XA55
HEDINGHAM OMNIBUSES, 215-217 HIGH STREET, KELVEDON, COLCHESTER, CO5 9JT, GBCO5 9JT25
20​
14 STATION ROAD, KELVEDON, COLCHESTER, CO5 9NP, GBCO5 9NP9
LITTLE STUBLEYS FARM, SUDBURY ROAD, HALSTEAD, CO9 2BB, GBCO9 2BB16
HEDINGHAM OMNIBUSES, WETHERSFIELD ROAD, SIBLE HEDINGHAM, HALSTEAD, CO9 3LB, GBCO9 3LB26
15​
ROSWALD HOUSE, OAK DRIVE, DISS, IP22 4GX, GBIP22 4GX50
COACH SERVICES LTD, 1A HOWLETT WAY, THETFORD, IP24 1HZ, GBIP24 1HZ1
21 JUBILEE DRIVE, LOUGHBOROUGH, LE11 5XS, GBLE11 5XS15
THE BUNGALOW, THE OLD DAIRY, MEADOW LANE, LONG EATON, NG10 2FE, GBNG12FE12
UNIT 1, UPPER SAXONDALE BUSINESS PARK, HENSON LANE, CROPWELL BUTLER, NOTTINGHAM, NG12 2LE, GBNG12LE£10
POSTWICK PARK & RIDE, YARMOUTH ROAD, POSTWICK, NORWICH, NR13 5NP, GBNR13 5NP3
7 JOHN GOSHAWK ROAD, RASHES GREEN INDUSTRIAL ESTATE, DEREHAM, NR19 1SY, GBNR19 1SY70
HARFORD PARK & RIDE, IPSWICH ROAD, NORWICH, NR4 6US, GBNR4 6US3
10 ANSON ROAD, NORWICH, NR6 6ED, GBNR6 6ED30
SWAFFHAM RUGBY CLUB, NORTH PICKENHAM ROAD, SWAFFHAM, PE37 7QX, GBPE37 7QX2
3 CONDOR COURT, EAGLE BUSINESS PARK, HARRIER WAY, YAXLEY, PETERBOROUGH, PE7 3WL, GBPE7 3WL12
THE BUS AND COACH HUB, ROBERT WAY, WICKFORD, SS11 8DD, GBSS11 8DD8
Totals519
Are central connect Cambridgeshire 61 67 67B 68 and 100 based at Peterborough?
 

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The Konectbus and Konectbuses websites have had the main banner amended to remove references to Go Ahead. The registered address has also changed to the Simonds base in Diss.
 

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The Konectbus and Konectbuses websites have had the main banner amended to remove references to Go Ahead. The registered address has also changed to the Simonds base in Diss.
The text in the FB bio has been updated as well.

Nice work whoever has been reading this thread!
 

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The Essex changes for January contained in the ECC TravelEssex News


Only show very minor timetable changes on a number of routes.
Most are minor, but there are some fairly substantial changes there.
The 15 (Waltham Cross - Harlow) gaining an evening service - there hasn’t been evening services on this route (previously the 505) for over a decade.
New route 27 in Harlow to the Science Park, and also giving a regular service to the New Hall housing estate.
Sunday routes in Harlow are enhanced in frequency.
Also a new route 32 from Harlow to Broxbourne - there hasn’t been a route along here since the 392 was withdrawn years ago - though the 32 looks like it’s just made up of positioning journeys.
 

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The Essex changes for January contained in the ECC TravelEssex News


Only show very minor timetable changes on a number of routes.
None of those changes affect any of the routes taken over from Go-Ahead though. I did think January might be a bit quick for them to have made a proper assessment and formulate any major revisions.

It won’t help that Konect had only just done a series of re-numbering routes and networks before they sold up. Changing things again so soon could really cause some confusion.

So far in terms of fleet nothings really changed either? I’m guessing repaints have stopped. Perhaps we’ll see a flurry of new/newer stock arrive in 2026 - atleast on the most profitable routes in Norfolk.
 

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Changes have been announced for the Norwich Konect area: https://www.konectbus.co.uk/service-changes-jan-2026

In short. The 8/8A is cut to every 30 minutes, 11B/11C has some cuts at peak times, 6/60 has been retimed

The timetables for these new services are in the TMS format too, and they look a bit of a mess
The 8/8A timetable just has times highlighted in yellow and says that the bus will run upto 15 minutes late on school days rather than giving any actual times. Who doesn't love a vague 15 minute window for when their bus will turn up?
The 6/60 timetable is messy too because they haven't attempted to make the timetables simple. (ie the 14:00 trips from Watton, times are the same on all days but on Monday & Friday it diverts to the schools. It could easily be handled in a single column with a note but instead it's listed 3 times as Mon&Fri SD, Tue/Wed/Thu SD & Sat/SH).
 

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The timetables for these new services are in the TMS format too, and they look a bit of a mess
The 8/8A timetable just has times highlighted in yellow and says that the bus will run upto 15 minutes late on school days rather than giving any actual times. Who doesn't love a vague 15 minute window for when their bus will turn up?
The 6/60 timetable is messy too because they haven't attempted to make the timetables simple. (ie the 14:00 trips from Watton, times are the same on all days but on Monday & Friday it diverts to the schools. It could easily be handled in a single column with a note but instead it's listed 3 times as Mon&Fri SD, Tue/Wed/Thu SD & Sat/SH).
The TMS timetable design is very basic and boxy. A little too simple… despite the timetable itself not being so. They could certainly do with injecting some design work into it.
 

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Wonder if Konect will get some E400mmcs for the 8 this year. Hopefully TMS will modernise the fleet as alot of the fleet badly needs it
 

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Wonder if Konect will get some E400mmcs for the 8 this year. Hopefully TMS will modernise the fleet as alot of the fleet badly needs it
the East Midlands operations are being scaled back in a few weeks so that will free up a few vehicles.

I believe they'll only need around 6 vehicles for remaining routes soon.
 
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