Tired Scotrail

[Irascible]

Yes, ORR does, table 6313 linked from this page, last release October 2021

Diagrammatically:

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It's a pity there's no average age based on region rather than operator ( I looked, there doesn't appear to be ).

 

[Davester50]

Oh definitely, I remember when the 170s were still quite fresh and they really were quite nice. They've been getting decidedly tatty, especially those with the original NatEx interiors, since about 2015-16 onwards. I remember the last time I had '401 on a Dunblane, and the First Class cabin was so tatty, you'd easily think the unit was 40 years old and had never had a refurbishment, rather than a shade over 15 years old as she was at the time. Pity too, '401 was always one of the best units - it delivered my highest recorded 170 speed of 103.1mph. By contrast my last trip on a late-running Inverness-Glasgow with '432 failed to exceed 95, even on the final sprint the E&G, we accelerated to and simply held that speed until power was shut off just past Lenzie.

For their age, I think the original purple Standard seats with the small (synthetic?) leather patch at the head have done very well, and it's a shame they didn't continue with the patches when they were re-upholstered.
Some of the blue seats look really quite dirty at head level.

 

[fgwrich]

For their age, I think the original purple Standard seats with the small (synthetic?) leather patch at the head have done very well, and it's a shame they didn't continue with the patches when they were re-upholstered.
Some of the blue seats look really quite dirty at head level.

No thanks!

Though it of course comes down to personal preference, if there’s one thing I can’t stand its this trend of using either leather or e-leather headrest inserts on seats. I disliked the NX ScotRail idea, disliked it when GWR started to do it on the LA15/LA16 and dislike the fact that SWR have decided to continue the trend. When your faced with a sight like this, it really puts you off sitting at those seats. At least Moquette hides this!

 

[Davester50]

Really got to disagree there - at least a wipe cleans it. I doubt any of the ScotRail 170s have had the fabric cleaned in a long long time.
It's not the sort of thing I take pics of, so next time I'm on, I'll see if I can get a photo of the grotty headrest!

 

[northernbelle]

Really got to disagree there - at least a wipe cleans it. I doubt any of the ScotRail 170s have had the fabric cleaned in a long long time.
It's not the sort of thing I take pics of, so next time I'm on, I'll see if I can get a photo of the grotty headrest!

Agreed. I'd sooner know about something not being clean than be fooled into thinking it was when it wasn't.

e-Leather headrests are much more hygienic - the amount of fluff and dandruff visible in dark coloured moquette headrests can be disgusting.

 

[John Bishop]

It's a pity there's no average age based on region rather than operator ( I looked, there doesn't appear to be ).

Indeed. I would love to see the figures from north of Dunblane. Now that would be headline grabbing!

The new 380/5s in the central belt are skewing the figures for Scotrail whereas the reality for many is the old diesel fleets in use.

 

[Parallel]

Yes, ORR does, table 6313 linked from this page, last release October 2021

Diagrammatically:

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Interesting, thanks for sharing. Chiltern’s stock doesn’t feel especially old when I use it (even the loco hauled stock) so they must do a good job maintaining things… cosmetically at least.

The new 380/5s in the central belt are skewing the figures for Scotrail whereas the reality for many is the old diesel fleets in use.

This is similar for GWR, EMR and TfW. For the former two, the non-London diesel only stock is old. I’m quite surprised how much GWR has fallen down considering all the Turbos, Castles, Sprinters, Express Sprinters and the 769s they have (if those count)