Timed to depart on restrictions

[cookie365]

Probably a stupid question:

Does 'timed to depart' in a restriction mean the time the train was due to leave the station you got on at, or the initial station the train started from?

Thanks

 

[bb21]

Do you have an example? It may be easier.

 

[185143]

A similar question regarding Birmingham New Street on an ALR, are you able to pass through before 10:00, as long as you don't alight? Presumably if a train terminates unexpectedly, its still valid?
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Probably a stupid question:

Does 'timed to depart' in a restriction mean the time the train was due to leave the station you got on at, or the initial station the train started from?

Thanks

It'll be the station you board at. Anyone boarding the London bound Chieftain at York, for example, certainly isn't paying for an anytime ticket!

 

[cookie365]

Thank you both

I'm thinking of Salisbury > Bristol Temple Meads off peak single.

It's got W1 restriction

Restriction Code: W1

Restriction applicable Mondays
to Fridays.

OUTWARD/RETURN TRAVEL

Not valid on trains timed to
depart before 09:30, except on
the 08:41 from Swindon to
Cheltenham Spa.

SEASONAL VARIATIONS
Restrictions are lifted on
First Great Western services
from 24 December 2014 to 4
January 2015 inclusive.

Since a lot of those will start at Southampton/Portsmouth then if it's the origin station that pushes peak much later into the morning.

So if it's the time of the station you get on at, does that mean that once it's gone 9:30 you could have some people on the same train with valid off peak tickets and some on the same train without, depending on where they got on?

 

[yorkie]

Probably a stupid question:

Does 'timed to depart' in a restriction mean the time the train was due to leave the station you got on at, or the initial station the train started from?

Thanks

If the restriction bars trains 'timed to depart' from any specific location, that is what applies, irrespective of where you boarded.

A similar question regarding Birmingham New Street on an ALR, are you able to pass through before 10:00, as long as you don't alight? Presumably if a train terminates unexpectedly, its still valid?

Yes, "The All Lines Rail Rover is NOT valid for boarding or alighting train services operated by CrossCountry, East Coast, East Midlands Trains, or Virgin Trains before 10:00 Mondays to Fridays at the following stations: Birmingham New Street...."

Presumably if a train terminates unexpectedly, its still valid?

Changes to train schedules do not result in passengers being penalised.

 

[Merseysider]

It depends on the exact wording.

"Not valid on trains timed to depart xx - yy" means from the station you board at, whether that's the origin or a station partway along the way.

Some ticket restrictions will mention specific stations, eg

"Not valid on trains timed to depart London Euston pre 0930" in which case if the train doesn't come from London Euston, you can use it at any time.

And yes, 185143, you are correct in your interpretation. There is nothing in the ALR restriction text to suggest otherwise - it just refers to boarding/alighting.

 

[yorkie]

It'll be the station you board at. Anyone boarding the London bound Chieftain at York, for example, certainly isn't paying for an anytime ticket!

No-one needs an Anytime ticket on the Chieftain, however some people will be using them (particularly return portions) regardless for a variety of reasons
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Thank you both

I'm thinking of Salisbury > Bristol Temple Meads off peak single.

It's got W1 restriction

This doesn't name any specific station (other than the 0841 Swindon-Cheltenham), so providing the train isn't departing any station before 0930 when you are on it, it's valid.

So if it's the time of the station you get on at, does that mean that once it's gone 9:30 you could have some people on the same train with valid off peak tickets and some on the same train without, depending on where they got on?

Absolutely.

 

[cookie365]

Thanks everyone, that explains it perfectly

 

[RJ]

It depends on the exact wording.

"Not valid on trains timed to depart xx - yy" means from the station you board at, whether that's the origin or a station partway along the way.

Some ticket restrictions will mention specific stations, eg

"Not valid on trains timed to depart London Euston pre 0930" in which case if the train doesn't come from London Euston, you can use it at any time.

And yes, 185143, you are correct in your interpretation. There is nothing in the ALR restriction text to suggest otherwise - it just refers to boarding/alighting.

And then some do completely bar travel on peak trains, regardless of the boarding or alighting point. See the return portion of restriction LS.

Not valid on trains timed to depart:

• after 04:29 and before 09.31
• London Kings Cross, London St Pancras International, Moorgate or pass through London St Pancras International after 16:29 and before 19:02 regardless of where you join or leave the service.

 

[Bletchleyite]

And then some do completely bar travel on peak trains, regardless of the boarding or alighting point. See the return portion of restriction LS.

LM's are like that northbound.

Neil