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topsy

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Over the past two years I have been travelling between North East Essex and the Kent Coast, and for the past year have been using the HS1 high speed route to get to Dover Priory and Canterbury West. The HS1 route saves me an hour, or more, each way.

For the first few journeys on this route I had to purchase the supplement at Stratford International, this added £4.50 per day, £9.00 for a period return. When I challenged my local station (Dovercourt) I was told that I could not purchase an Any Permitted ticket for the route.

Unfortunately Southeastern stopped selling the supplements and I was warned on one journey as I had a "not valid HS1" ticket even though I was prepared to pay the extra. I spoke to a guard and between us we discovered that the correct tickets were valid from Wrabness, an unmanned village station on the Harwich Branch. The system, however, refused to issue Any Permitted tickets for Kent destinations from Harwich Town, Dovercourt or Harwich International.

For the past year every ticket I have used between Essex and Kent has started, or finished, at Wrabness. I haven't once had a problem even though this is two stops beyond my starting point. The onboard staff did their best via their managers to query the absurd situation. I also wrote to NXEA in Norwich and was told that it was an ATOC problem, so there.

Two weeks ago I travelled to Dover Priory for a day trip and rather amazingly the guard (who was familiar with the Wrabness issue) actually sold me the correct ticket (almost, I got a saver return instead of a cheap day return but didn't notice until the return trip).

The day return fare now costs me £1.15 more than before but at least it's the correct ticket.

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What ticket(s) have you used?

Dovercourt (DVC) to Dover Priory (DVP) via +Any Permitted?

Tickets routed "+ Any Permitted" to Dover or Canterbury are permitted via High Speed line.

For a ticket routed "Not Valid HS1" the supplement should be issued apparently, although this goes against the principles of Excess Fares so it could be challenged in court. The excess for Not HS1 to +Any Permitted for such a ticket should only be around £1 each way, but the supplement is higher than that.

The way HS1 ticketing has been done is a farce and goes against the general principles of routeing.
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In NFM7, the only fares from Dovercourt to Dover Priory were +Not valid on HS1, a CDR being priced at £43.00.

In NFM8 (which took effect earlier this month), the +Not valid on HS1 fare remains, now £46.40, however there is now a new +Any Permitted fare, priced at £48.50.

So it looks like the fare you required did not exist, but it now does.

Have HS1 supplements been abolished then? That makes sense - if they are replaced by excess fares, this should reduce the price many people pay. Good news if true. I always thought they were on dodgy ground with refusing excesses and making people pay extortionate amounts with supplements.
 

topsy

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What ticket(s) have you used?

Dovercourt (DVC) to Dover Priory (DVP) via +Any Permitted?
I think I've used every combination of tickets over the past year, with several different railcards too. My usual ticket was an offpeak saver return WRB to DVP but there were several peak day returns WRB to CBW. A few times tickets were bought in reverse DVP-WRB (Southeastern tried an AP ticket to DVC but the system wouldn't accept it!)

Putting the required routing and tickets into the Nationalrail website generated an error claiming impossible 'via' routing. Once WRB was used as a start point (or destination) the website behaved perfectly.

It cost me a few pints when the helpful guard discovered the workaround (we happen to frequent the same pub from time to time).

Fortunately I never had to pay the full fare as I hold an Adult Disabled RC and have a Family RC for when the kids are with me, no point having a Network RC.

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They seem to have mixed up the prices though.

SVR Dovercourt - Dover Priory rte not HS1 52.50
SVR Dovercourt - Dover Priory rte Any Permitted 50.00

both have same restriction codes. The old price was 48.40 not HS1. Same issue also occurs for Dovercourt - Canterbury West.
 
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