Ticket on TrainSplit but doesn't show on Avanti (not a split ticket)

[mgood]

LBZ to CTR shows an Advance Ticket being available on TrainSplit (change MKC and CRE but NOT a split ticket) but can't find it on either National Rail or Avanti sites.
Any reason why it doesn't show ?

 

[signed]

Any reason why it doesn't show ?

The fact it's an overtaken journey (I.E. itineraries starting later arrive first) is a good starting point (it shows as a turtle icon on https://tickets-beta.railforums.co.uk)

Forum ticket site

Hi, I'm trying to purchase a ticket from Birmingham to Accrington on Saturday. I know this is frowned upon but due to trying to get club avanti trips I'm looking at booking the ticket it has found is two advances coming to £30 08.04 change at Wolverhampton onto avanti service - ticket...

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But we need more info to really be sure, can you link your search or give a rough date and timeframe?

 

[mgood]

From TrainSplit - 13th Nov £50.56 using an Avanti Advance Ticket with connection from LBZ to MKC. Doesn't show on Avanti site - best fare is £61.30

19:38
20:07

3 stops
00h 29min (West Midlands Trains service)
Watford Junction
Milton Keynes Central

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20:15
21:24

Non-stop
01h 09min (Avanti West Coast service)
Milton Keynes Central
Crewe

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21:45
22:06

Non-stop
00h 21min (Avanti West Coast service)
Crewe
Chester

 

[Dirty_Mac]

Yeah in your case the 21:36 TfW Crewe to Chester would be the itinerary likely presented to you.

 

[Cantab26]

LBZ to CTR shows an Advance Ticket being available on TrainSplit (change MKC and CRE but NOT a split ticket) but can't find it on either National Rail or Avanti sites.
Any reason why it doesn't show ?

From the forum instructions:

In addition, please avoid using three letter codes in thread titles or where you haven't mentioned the station before. Their use is acceptable for follow-ups where you use the correct code (eg: BNS is Barnes, BHM is Birmingham New Street).

 

[30907]

From the forum instructions:

LBZ is Leighton Buzzard which makes going via Watford (and catching a train that then calls at LBZ) a weird routeing, which I can't reproduce - though it will sell me a ticket via London with about the same times!

 

[OscarH]

From TrainSplit - 13th Nov £50.56 using an Avanti Advance Ticket with connection from LBZ to MKC. Doesn't show on Avanti site - best fare is £61.30

19:38
20:07

3 stops
00h 29min (West Midlands Trains service)
Watford Junction
Milton Keynes Central

---

20:15
21:24

Non-stop
01h 09min (Avanti West Coast service)
Milton Keynes Central
Crewe

---

21:45
22:06

Non-stop
00h 21min (Avanti West Coast service)
Crewe
Chester

That must be a split ticket because the price doesn't end in 0 or 5

 

[Haywain]

From TrainSplit - 13th Nov £50.56 using an Avanti Advance Ticket with connection from LBZ to MKC.

If the journey is from Leighton Buzzard, why are the times from Watford Junction?

That must be a split ticket because the price doesn't end in 0 or 5

The Trainsplit fare obviously includes a "share of saving" fee. The tickets are an Off Peak Day Single from Watford Junction to Leighton Buzzard (£8.30) and then an Advance single on to Chester (£42.00).

Any reason why it doesn't show ?

Yes - it's because the Avanti site isn't looking for slower journeys to make them cheaper, even if they involve using an Avanti service from Crewe to Chester. It's just the way most websites are set up.

 

[30907]

1. looking at the Avanti site, Advance fares are not showing for MKC-CTR (not just for that train!) but they are for MKC-Crewe. The £61.30 fare the OP quotes is the Offpeak Single to CTR.

2. The £50.56 fare they quote is - as @Haywain points out - a split fare originating at Watford not LBZ. This has rather confused all of us and should be ignored.