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Dpatel

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I an new member here as well as in UK. I do not use trains for travelling so do not know much about the system of trains here. I have bought a rail card from Trainline Application. I answered the question whichever it asked so it suggested me the railcard suitable for me. So I bought the rail card named Network Rail card. I was travelling from Manchester to Leeds on 11th July 2024. The ticket checker checked my ticket and asked for my rail card. I showed my railcard but He sail that it is valid in London only. I was totally unaware of it. I didn't buy my ticket intestinally. He gave me a receipt that I need to write my answer to transpennine express. And I cannot understand how to write and what to write in my answer because this is the first time when I get the report. So can anyone help me for solve the problem.
Thank you
 
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It wouldn’t be possible to select a network railcard for that area and gain the discount.

Which railcard did you apply?

You’ll find people on here are more able to help you if you upload images of the notice given, any ticketing and journey information and obscure any personal details such as reference numbers, your name and address.
 

WesternLancer

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Hi

I an new member here as well as in UK. I do not use trains for travelling so do not know much about the system of trains here. I have bought a rail card from Trainline Application. I answered the question whichever it asked so it suggested me the railcard suitable for me. So I bought the rail card named Network Rail card. I was travelling from Manchester to Leeds on 11th July 2024. The ticket checker checked my ticket and asked for my rail card. I showed my railcard but He sail that it is valid in London only. I was totally unaware of it. I didn't buy my ticket intestinally. He gave me a receipt that I need to write my answer to transpennine express. And I cannot understand how to write and what to write in my answer because this is the first time when I get the report. So can anyone help me for solve the problem.
Thank you
Given your unfamiliarity with uk rail tickets and what has happened it might be better in future for you to buy your ticket from a staffed ticket office at Leeds or Manchester to make sure you get the correct ticket for your travel.

As to what has happened people can advise you on what to do if you can provide the information asked for.
 

Dpatel

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It wouldn’t be possible to select a network railcard for that area and gain the discount.

Which railcard did you apply?

You’ll find people on here are more able to help you if you upload images of the notice given, any ticketing and journey information and obscure any personal details such as reference numbers, your name and address.
I didn't select any rail card because I did not know which railcard is suitable for me. I just answered the questions like my name age. So app suggested me the rail card and I bought. I didn't know that this rail card is not valid here. I need to answer. So can you please help me how to answer to transpennine express?
 

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@Dpatel. Welcome to the forum. What ticket did you have (if any) for your journey from Manchester to Leeds on Thursday 11th July 2024. Was it an Advance Single? An Off Peak Single? An Anytime Single? Maybe a return ticket? How much did you pay? Did the ticket have some railcard discount? If so, which railcard discount was it?
 
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I didn't select any rail card because I did not know which railcard is suitable for me. I just answered the questions like my name age. So app suggested me the rail card and I bought. I didn't know that this rail card is not valid here. I need to answer. So can you please help me how to answer to transpennine express?
In order to be asked for a railcard you will have had to select one when purchasing your ticket.

As before, if you can post up either the tickets, notice you received and obscure your personal details or describe them in detail it’s going to be difficult to help out.
 

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In order to be asked for a railcard you will have had to select one when purchasing your ticket.

As before, if you can post up either the tickets, notice you received and obscure your personal details or describe them in detail it’s going to be difficult to help out.

One reading of the original posting is that they bought a railcard from Trainline for some reason - or were persuaded to buy a railcard by some Trainline promotion? - as a quite separate process from, later, buying the ticket concerned. (Though why they did so, especially if they bought a Network Card but live in Manchester, is a mystery... surely even Trainline would tell you what the conditions of that railcard were before selling it?) However, having got that railcard, and subsequently buying a ticket, presumably a railcard discount wouldn't be applied if the railcard was not valid for that journey? So maybe a railcard discount was selected when buying the ticket, but relating to the wrong card (ie not the one held) ... though, by coincidence, the right card in terms of being able to get a discount on the journey.

More and clearer details are needed.....

Meanwhile, if the questioner is really this confused about how to travel by rail, I agree with the person who said they should buy from a ticket office in future.
 

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Which railcard did you apply to the booking to give you a discount on the ticket? It can’t have been a Network Railcard because as you’ve found those aren’t valid outside the South East.
 

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Hi

I an new member here as well as in UK. I do not use trains for travelling so do not know much about the system of trains here. I have bought a rail card from Trainline Application. I answered the question whichever it asked so it suggested me the railcard suitable for me. So I bought the rail card named Network Rail card. I was travelling from Manchester to Leeds on 11th July 2024. The ticket checker checked my ticket and asked for my rail card. I showed my railcard but He sail that it is valid in London only. I was totally unaware of it. I didn't buy my ticket intestinally. He gave me a receipt that I need to write my answer to transpennine express. And I cannot understand how to write and what to write in my answer because this is the first time when I get the report. So can anyone help me for solve the problem.
Thank you
To @Dpatel

If you have a look at this website it lists all the Railcards you can buy and which groups they apply to / or areas of the UK you can use them in - you will see that most Railcards (but not all) are aimed at different age groups, but some, like the Network Card, are for use at generally off peak travel times in the London and South East of England area only

This will give you an idea

A railcard can save you money on certain train fares, but you would need the one that applies to your personal circumstances. I suspect you misunderstood which Railcard to buy and have ended up with one that is no great use to you.

I suspect that you then bought a train ticket but selected a different type of Railcard to obtain the discount - perhaps because you were confused as to why your ticket between Leeds and Manchester would not get a discount with the Railcard you bought, the Network Railcard, so you selected a different Railcard, but that is not one you own. So when the ticket inspector checked your ticket he found your ticket was invalid because you don't have the correct Railcard.

The ticket inspector then reported this for investigation and gave you a 'Travel Irregularity Report'

They will have done this because they will want to investigate how often you have travelled with the wrong Railcard because on all those occasions your ticket will not have been valid and they will want to ask you to pay for new tickets.

What will happen next is that the railway company (Transpennine Express) will write to you and ask you to explain what happened. They will also be investigating any previous on line ticket buying to see if you have made this mistake on other occasions. It is vital that you receive that letter and reply to it quickly (if you are a student in the UK and might be going abroad over the summer holiday period that could be a problem).

So can you please help me how to answer to transpennine express?

This advice often provided by @Hadders should give you a good idea of what to expect and what to do:


As for what happens next the railway company will write to you. The letter will typically take a couple of months to arrive but can be sooner although it shouldn't take longer than six months. The letter will use quite threatening language and say that they have received a report, are considering prosecuting you and asking for your version of events before deciding how to proceed. It is important that you engage with and reply to this letter. You might want to include the following in your reply:

- That you are sorry for what has happened
- What you have learned from the incident
- That you are keen to settle the matter without the need for court action
- Offer to pay the outstanding fare and the train company's administrative costs in dealing with the matter

Railway companies are usually prepared to offer an administrative settlement (commonly known as an out of court settlement) to people who engage with the process and who haven't come to their attention before. We cannot guarantee this and the railway company are within their rights to prosecute you in the magistrates court if they want to even if this was a genuine mistake or misunderstanding on your part

Be aware that the railway company will research your online ticket purchase history and if this shows frequent purchases of tickets with the wrong Railcard then they may well want to ask you about these cases as well.

If you are offered a settlement expect to have to pay the outstanding fares at the full Anytime rate with no credit given for the invalid tickets you did purchase. You will also have to pay an admin fee, typically around £150, to reflect the railway' costs in dealing with this. This might appear to be a fine, but it isn't and you won't have a criminal record as a result of accepting one.

Feel free to post a copy of the letter once it arrives (with personal details redacted) along with your draft reply in this thread and forum members will be happy to proof read it for you.


People here can help you reply effectively, but it will certainly help if you can post a copy of any paperwork you have been given as asked for previously (remove your personal details and any ref numbers before uploading a copy).

Please ask any more questions here if you do not understand any of this.

As I said before, going forward I think it would be better, at least until you have become more familiar with UK train travel and tickets, for you to buy tickets at a railway station ticket office - they can help you choose the right railcard and get the cheapest ticket for your journey. There are basically no tickets for the sort of travel you will want to do that you can buy on line that are any cheaper than you can buy at a ticket office from a member of staff who can help you get the correct ticket.
 
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Mcr Warrior

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There are basically no tickets for the sort of travel you will want to do that you can buy on line that are any cheaper than you can buy at a ticket office from a member of staff who can help you get the correct ticket.
Not necessarily, as cheaper, albeit relatively inflexible, (booked train only) advance single tickets are almost always available for Manchester->Leeds journeys.
 

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Not necessarily, as cheaper, albeit relatively inflexible, (booked train only) advance single tickets are almost always available for Manchester->Leeds journeys.
I have bought Advance tickets like that at ticket office widows, you just have to go to the ticket office some days ahead on the same manner you would buy the ticket on line some days ahead. Of course that may not be convenient for the OP to do - but more convenient that being threatened with prosecution for having the wrong ticket as a result of being significantly confused by the UK rail ticket system, which seems to be what has happened here, I would say.
 

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If you attempt to buy a Manchester-Leeds ticket on Trainline, then apply a Network Railcard, it will let you-but the fare isn't discounted.
But, if you were unfamiliar with the system I don't see why you'd think it hadn't been discounted, unless you knew the price before discounted. But then surely you'd question why it wasn't discounted?
 

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Hi

I an new member here as well as in UK. I do not use trains for travelling so do not know much about the system of trains here. I have bought a rail card from Trainline Application. I answered the question whichever it asked so it suggested me the railcard suitable for me. So I bought the rail card named Network Rail card. I was travelling from Manchester to Leeds on 11th July 2024. The ticket checker checked my ticket and asked for my rail card. I showed my railcard but He sail that it is valid in London only. I was totally unaware of it. I didn't buy my ticket intestinally. He gave me a receipt that I need to write my answer to transpennine express. And I cannot understand how to write and what to write in my answer because this is the first time when I get the report. So can anyone help me for solve the problem.
Thank you
Can you please provide a copy of the ticket you were using and a copy of the paperwork given to you on the train? Please retract any personal details.
 
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