Three Bridges to Wigan

[mark_hammond75]

I'm travelling up to a wedding this weekend in Wigan - I'm planning to get the 14:30 out of Euston, but work might over run... If I it does then would I simply be able to get an excess to Lancaster? Tickets to Lancaster don't seem to have afternoon restrictions, but does excessing the ticket turn it into a through ticket to that destination?

Is it easy enough to get the extension at Euston, or would I be able to get it on train? Also, is the excess only one way or would I have to excess both the outward and return portion? (i'll be on an off-peak return).

Thanks for any adivce.

Mark

 

[yorkie]

An excess makes the original ticket become the new ticket.

Yes you can get it one way but, as discussed previously, some machines charge 50% of the difference and others charge 100% of the difference. The excess is £6.30 return or £3.15/£6.30 one way depending on the machine used to issue the excess. As mentioned in a previous topic, the staff in Euston booking office are not the best when it comes to excesses.

In theory you can get an excess anywhere however some staff do not have a clue how to issue them. Some staff try to force you to buy a seperate ticket (£14.30 return / £13.20 single).

 

[Mcr Warrior]

If you just miss the 1430 direct service, you could always travel on the 1440 (or 1500) services to Manchester Piccadilly, change there to get to Wigan (Wallgate), or the 1510 service to Chester, change at Crewe for onward connection (from Birmingham) to Wigan (North Western).

This would get you Northbound from Euston before the afternoon Peak restrictions kick-in, and wouldn't cost you any more.

 

[mark_hammond75]

Good point about Manchester Mcr Warrior - the thought hadn't crossed my mind...

And thanks yorkie, forewarned is forearmed - if i'm running late I'll see what i can do on the train from Three Bridges and failing that prepare my self for a 'discussion' at Euston...
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Whilst on the subject of excess fares, what would happen if the over distance fare is actually less then the original one?

When I was at uni in Manchester and needed to travel back to Carlisle I would always buy a return from Leeds to Carlisle route any permitted. I just had a quick look and the Leeds to Carlisle fare is £4 cheaper (and it’s an any time fare)...

So, if I had a Manchester - Carlisle return, but on the return portion decided to get it excessed to Leeds then would I be due a £2 refund ?

 

[yorkie]

If they deem it to be off route they'd refuse to issue an excess and say you have to buy a single for the journey.

if you are not going over distance there is no over distance excess.

 

[mark_hammond75]

Why would I be off route? Leeds to Carlilse is valid by Manchester (maps TP+NW)...

So, if on the return portion of a Manchester to Carlisle ticket (£47.70) i decided that I wanted to continue to Leeds how would they charge me an excess? The Leeds to Carilse (any permitted) is £43.90 - so the difference is £-3.80. How can they charge me minus £1.90? :?

 

[yorkie]

well you asked the question!

I'm not saying you would be off route ... but *they* might! ('uddersfield would almost for sure)

if you end your journey 'short', then that's that.
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the original question was "Whilst on the subject of excess fares, what would happen if the over distance fare is actually less then the original one?" but the example given was NOT over distance - it is travelling 'short' of your destination, which many of us do regularly.

No excess or refund is applicable when travelling 'short'

 

[dan_atki]

the original question was "Whilst on the subject of excess fares, what would happen if the over distance fare is actually less then the original one?" but the example given was NOT over distance - it is travelling 'short' of your destination, which many of us do regularly.

Hold on, I'm getting confused here now.

The original ticket held will be the RTN portion of a Manchester Stns to Carlisle Route Lancaster £47.70 Off Peak Return (so the Carlisle to Manchester portion).

mark_hammond75 then wants this excessed to a Carlisle to Leeds Route Any Permitted £43.90 Anytime Return, for ONWARD travel from Manchester to Leeds (if he then decides to stop short or break at Manchester that is irrelevant IMO). So an overdistance excess would be needed. However, in this case the excess is negative. So what happens?

Although, I'm not sure myself, I think it would just be a zero excess rather than any form of refund.

Regarding whether he'd be deemed off route, I'm sure a printout of maps NW and TP and also Carlisle to Leeds is valid via those two maps would be sufficient to show travel via Manchester is valid.

 

[mark_hammond75]

I know it's a bit of a perverse question situation, but I'm not travelling short... i would want to extend the ticket to Leeds (i.e. Carlisle, Preston, Manchester and then on to Leeds)....

The (totaly hypothetical) situation is this. I've bought a return from Manchester to Carlisle, it cost me £47.70. I happily go up to Carlisle to see my Dad, have some beers and then a few days later set off home. When I get to Preston my mate rings and says he's having a party in Leeds, do I want to come? yes I want to come so I ask the guard if he'll give me an over distance excess (is that the right term?) to cover the Leeds to Manchester part of the Journey (Carlise to Leeds is valid via Preston and Manchester). The guard looks up the fare difference:

Manchester -> Carlisle return: £47.70
Leeds -> Carlisle return: £43.90

Difference in fare: minus £3.80, half that is mins £1.90. How does the guard charge me minus £1.90?

In mitigation, the two tickets are different. Manchester-> Carlisle is SVR, Leeds to Carlsile is SOR. There isn't a Leeds -> Carlilse SVR. But then if i'd got an SOR (£83.00)from manchester to carlisle the guard would now owe me £19.55

 

[dan_atki]

In mitigation, the two tickets are different. Manchester-> Carlisle is SVR, Leeds to Carlsile is SOR. There isn't a Leeds -> Carlilse SVR. But then if i'd got an SOR (£83.00)from manchester to carlisle the guard would now owe me £19.55

The difference in ticket types is also irrelevant - excesses are issued in the same way as normal tickets: the cheapest to allow you to travel at the time you want to. In the same way if you use a combination of tickets the fact one of them is an Off-Peak Return and the other an Anytime Day Single say, is irrelevant - provided Condition 19 in the Conditions of Carriage is satisfied.

 

[glynn80]

The difference in ticket types is also irrelevant - excesses are issued in the same way as normal tickets: the cheapest to allow you to travel at the time you want to. In the same way if you use a combination of tickets the fact one of them is an Off-Peak Return and the other an Anytime Day Single say, is irrelevant - provided Condition 19 in the Conditions of Carriage is satisfied.

Yes this is correct and is covered by one of the examples in the FRPP

Example

A customer holds an Anytime Single from Hereford to Alton routed “not via London”. The customer wishes to travel via London on a day at a time when a Super Off-Peak Single is valid. If the customer does not wish to break their journey, they should be charged the difference between the fare already paid: Anytime Single (£38.50p) and the Super Off-Peak Single (£43). The Excess fare is £5·50. Note: This example is not necessarily the current fare.

 

[yorkie]

OK, I see now - you don't want to do Carlisle-Leeds but you want to do Carlisle-Manchester-Leeds!

They'd probably say you are off route and make up a rule that "if the ticket to Leeds costs less then it can't be valid via Manchester". Yes I know this is incorrect, but that's the usual excuse ticket offices give.

The other excuse they might give is that "you've already used your ticket to Manchester. That ticket is now finished with and therefore it can't be excessed" again, I think they make this rule up, but they will probably claim it anyway.

Your best bet is to try to get a zero excess before you leave Carlisle - although what they might say is "just go direct to Leeds and finish your journey short at Leeds then". If it crops up en-route as described in your scenario, then ask on the train. Guards are more willing to issue excesses than ticket office staff generally.