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Killingworth

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Now he's basically promoting a genocide:

Which he very well knows and thinks it makes him come over super tough when, hopefully, he produces a deal that is not a thousand miles away from what was available 5 or 6 weeks ago. MAGA hard core supporters will be even more that way inclined. Less convinced supporters will be reassured and get swept up in his peace making rhetoric - or is it verbal diarrhea?

If he can't produce a deal he can twist to look like victory he has one very big problem.

But so would have Democrats. Impeachment isn't quite as easy or quick a process as disposing of a lettuce that's passed its best before date.
 
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We do have a written constitution! It just isn’t codified into a single document. We have parliamentary sovereignty as a result of it.
And it's why actually a barmy King (or Queen) with delusions of ruling as an absolute Monarch would be fairly easy to deal with. Parliament could simply legislate them either out of existence entirely or simply curtain the few remaining Prerogative powers.
Now he's basically promoting a genocide:

Hmm, wonder if we're going to find out if the senior US Military leadership will follow a nuclear launch order against a non-nuclear weapon state tonight then.
Impeachment isn't quite as easy or quick a process as disposing of a lettuce that's passed its best before date.
It can be swift if they want it to be. Indeed I suspect if they wanted to it's the sort of thing that could go through both the House and the Senate inside a day if they wanted to. Problem is that the Republicans control both so it's any attempt to impeach is dead on arrival.
 

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I noticed Vance made his excuses and left, burgering off to Hungary to ‘help’ Orban’s re-election campaign.
Five days before Hungarians vote in elections that could bring down Viktor Orbán after 16 years in office, US Vice-President JD Vance has intervened in the campaign to give the Hungarian prime minister a ringing endorsement, while delivering another blistering attack on the EU.
 

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Hmm, wonder if we're going to find out if the senior US Military leadership will follow a nuclear launch order against a non-nuclear weapon state tonight then.
The fact a number of senior Generals and Admirals were sacked by Hegseth a few days ago (I'm going out on a limb and suggesting it was because they couldn't be relied upon to blindly follow bonkers and/or outright illegal orders) doesn't bode well in that regard.
 

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It says a lot about how much elected office is corrupting individuals in the US, that while several Trump-supporting commentators and Marjorie Taylor Greene (no longer in Congress) have turned on him over this whole episode, there is no sign of any GOP Congress members doing the same, with the only members calling for the 25th amendment or impeachment Democrat ones.
 

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I noticed Vance made his excuses and left, burgering off to Hungary to ‘help’ Orban’s re-election campaign.

I thought that was a bad thing, the Republicans certainly claimed that when labour had some people over there helping the Democrats.

Maybe this is what the Hungarian people need, Victor Orban's opponents now have an extra thing to list as to why Victor isn't the person they should be voting for.
 

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I think it is more likely that Vance is doing his best to make sure that when the proverbial hits the fan, he is safely clear of all the resulting blame game and fighting. “Sorry, guys, I would love to have supported (fill in name of winner), but I was miles away.” If it all goes you-know-whats up, then you can’t blame him. He doesn’t want to take over until January, but if he has to he can ride to the rescue as a squeaky clean hero. Of course, the world might blow up, but you can’t blame him as he has an alibi.
 

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The most oil hungry president of the most oil hungry nation dropping nukes on a country with one of the largest oil reserves thus potentially rendering extraction impossible? Nah, not buying it.

What I do expect is an absolute conventional barrage on infastructure though.
 

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I thought that was a bad thing, the Republicans certinaly claimed that when labour had some people over there helping the Democrats.
Maybe this is what the Hungarian people need, Victor Orban's opponents now have a extra thing to list as to why Victor isn't the person they should be voting for.
Even more so, as Vance called Trump on his mobile while on stage, and so the audience hence heard from Trump as well (no link, source is Channel 4 News, as shown on TV, they may put this up on their YouTube channel).

Oh, it's okay in the MAGA movement to have double standards, as long as it's helping a fellow extreme right wing party to win an election...
 

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Even more so, as Vance called Trump on his mobile while on stage, and so the audience hence heard from Trump as well (no link, source is Channel 4 News, as shown on TV, they may put this up on their YouTube channel).

Oh, it's okay in the MAGA movement to have double standards, as long as it's helping a fellow extreme right wing party to win an election...
Link here, about 10 minutes in:
Donald Trump first solemnly vowed to bomb Iran back to the Stone Age if they don't open the Strait of Hormuz.

Today, he warned that "a whole civilisation will die tonight, never to be brought back again".

Trump has set a deadline of midnight GMT to reopen the Strait, or civilian infrastructure, including bridges and power plants, would be targeted.

While Trump appears to be threatening genocide to open a trade route that was only closed after he started the war, the Israeli army has told Iranians to stay away from the railways.

It comes as the US and Israel hit railways, bridges, the oil hub Kharg Island, and a third petrochemical complex.

Meanwhile, the Revolutionary Guards warned Iran's neighbours that any previous restraint is over, and threatened to disrupt regional oil and gas supplies for years.
 
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It says a lot about how much elected office is corrupting individuals in the US, that while several Trump-supporting commentators and Marjorie Taylor Greene (no longer in Congress) have turned on him over this whole episode, there is no sign of any GOP Congress members doing the same, with the only members calling for the 25th amendment or impeachment Democrat ones.
It may well only need 1 person to have the guts to break ranks (as long as it’s the “right” person) for the avalanche to start to slide. Or is that just wishful thinking?
 

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It may well only need 1 person to have the guts to break ranks (as long as it’s the “right” person) for the avalanche to start to slide. Or is that just wishful thinking?

I think that’s a perfectly plausible theory, but not so much it needing to be the right person as there needing to be the right people following immediately behind. Do they trust each other enough?
 

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Awkward!

Brian Tyler Cohen has just posted a clip of Trump talking to the astronauts on Artemis II... And receiving absolute silence in return.
0:24
But you have a lot of courage
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doing what you're doing. A lot of bravery and a lot of a lot of genius. But they're very very proud of you.
1:40
Administrator Alexman, just get a quick com check. Make sure you guys are still on the line and we didn't have a handover. I am. Yes, I am.
1:51
And just brutal. That's almost a full minute of silence after Trump's usual inane ramblings where these astronauts can't
1:59
even bring themselves to dignify what Trump is saying by responding. And so they just sit there and wait for it to end. And look, I'm lucky enough to say that I've sat with two presidents now.
2:10
It's not exactly something that you just sit quietly and hope passes you by...
 
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Even more so, as Vance called Trump on his mobile while on stage, and so the audience hence heard from Trump as well (no link, source is Channel 4 News, as shown on TV, they may put this up on their YouTube channel).

Oh, it's okay in the MAGA movement to have double standards, as long as it's helping a fellow extreme right wing party to win an election...
We should recall how Trump encouraged Farage in his anti-EEC activities. A united Europe is not in Trumpian MAGA's interests. Hopefully the Hungarians will see that.
 

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Trump's team are suggesting that the Pope might like to become like the Avignon papacy, i.e. having an extended stay in the country (USA rather than France as was the original in the 14th Century), it appears that the Pope has declined such a generous and hospitable invention from the great and glorious leader (may he live forever):


Days after Pope Leo XIV delivered his State of the World speech, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Elbridge Colby summoned Cardinal Christophe Pierre, the Vatican’s U.S. representative, to a closed-door Pentagon meeting for a bitter lecture.

“The United States,” Colby said, according to a blistering new report by The Free Press, “has the military power to do whatever it wants in the world. The Catholic Church had better take its side.”

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One U.S. official present at the meeting brought up the Avignon papacy, a period in the 14th century in which the French monarchy bent the Catholic Church into submission, ordering an attack on Pope Boniface VIII that led to his downfall and subsequent death and forcing the papacy to relocate from Rome to Avignon, a region inside France.


The Trump administration had taken issue with the pope’s critique of its militaristic proclivities. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and other top Pentagon officials were particularly aggrieved by portions of Leo’s January 9 speech in which the pope argued that “a diplomacy that promotes dialogue and seeks consensus among all parties is being replaced by a diplomacy based on force,” and that “war is back in vogue, and a zeal for war is spreading.”

The pope’s address was dissected line by line and interpreted as a hostile message toward the administration, reported Letters from Leo Substack writer Christopher Hale.

It was difficult not to interpret Leo’s comments as an immediate commentary on Donald Trump’s second administration, which had at that point bombed Iran’s nuclear facilities, kidnapped Venezuelan leader Nicolas Maduro, fiercely advocated for the dissolution of NATO, and threatened America’s allies, including claiming that the U.S. would seize control of Canada and Greenland.

But the blatant intimidation tactic is the first of its kind ever made by American officials to the Catholic Church. There are no public records of any previous meetings between Vatican and U.S. officials at the Pentagon, let alone an instance in which the world power suggested that it could force the Bishop of Rome into captivity.

The Vatican was so alarmed by the Pentagon’s warning that Pope Leo cancelled his plans to visit the U.S. later in the year, reported Hale, who noted that “many in the Vatican saw the Pentagon’s reference to an Avignon papacy as a threat to use military force against the Holy See.”

Tensions had not been mended by February, when the Holy See rejected the White House’s invitation to host Pope Leo—the religious order’s first U.S.-born pontiff—for America’s 250th anniversary in July. Instead, the Catholic leader has arranged to visit a very different locale on July 4: Lampedusa, a tiny island between Tunisia and Sicily where North African immigrants wash ashore by the thousands.

“Robert Francis Prevost is too deliberate a man to have chosen that date by accident,” commented Hale.

The White House has dismissed the entire account, writing in a statement to reporter Barbara Starr that “the Free Press’s characterization of the meeting is highly exaggerated and distorted.”
 

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I think that’s a perfectly plausible theory, but not so much it needing to be the right person as there needing to be the right people following immediately behind. Do they trust each other enough?
It sadly feels unlikely at this point - the GOP are much more interested in lining their own pockets which they believe Trump will do.

The sad truth of the matter is that Trump is really only lining his own pockets.
 

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Trump's team are suggesting that the Pope might like to become like the Avignon papacy, i.e. having an extended stay in the country (USA rather than France as was the original in the 14th Century), it appears that the Pope has declined such a generous and hospitable invention from the great and glorious leader (may he live forever):


Which may be another reason why that devout Catholic, Vice-President Vance, has decided to absent himself from Washington. “How many divisions has the Pope?”, was supposedly asked of Churchill by…Josef Stalin.
 

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Presumably the Vatican will be bombed after Trump has finished with Cuba and Greenland
 

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Presumably the Vatican will be bombed after Trump has finished with Cuba and Greenland
Oh Dear Donald, you won't be getting anywhere near those pearly gates if you bomb the Vatican,
Thats a go straight to hell, collect an eternity of pain, with no get out of jail card,
 

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Trump's team are suggesting that the Pope might like to become like the Avignon papacy, i.e. having an extended stay in the country (USA rather than France as was the original in the 14th Century), it appears that the Pope has declined such a generous and hospitable invention from the great and glorious leader (may he live forever):

The Pope is technically a sovereign head of state, so threatening them is a very serious matter, but of course something that's been totally normalised by this US regime.
 

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Oh Dear Donald, you won't be getting anywhere near those pearly gates if you bomb the Vatican,
Thats a go straight to hell, collect an eternity of pain, with no get out of jail card,
The Devil going "fetch the extra hot pokers!".
Really the administration thinks that threatening the pope is a good idea, if you want to prove your completely nutso that's a fine way to do it.
 

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Insane and pathetic to threaten the Pope. Unserious garbage a 14 year old would dream up. They're so thick and dull it hurts.
 

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Insane and pathetic to threaten the Pope. Unserious garbage a 14 year old would dream up. They're so thick and dull it hurts.
There are two reasons I can think of why this has happened:

1) Trump can't stand an American having more prestige/popularity than him.
2) Just like the main belligerents in the Middle East use religions to try and provide moral justification for their military actions, the US want to try and claim their acting in "good faith" with a religion backing them. Clearly the Pope, who is genuinely anti-war, sees otherwise, so Trump's resorted to his tried and tested extortion modus operandi.
 

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There are two reasons I can think of why this has happened:

1) Trump can't stand an American having more prestige/popularity than him.
2) Just like the main belligerents in the Middle East use religions to try and provide moral justification for their military actions, the US want to try and claim their acting in "good faith" with a religion backing them. Clearly the Pope, who is genuinely anti-war, sees otherwise, so Trump's resorted to his tried and tested extortion modus operandi.
I wonder though, how will the American " Christian" Right react to Trump threatening the holy roman church?
There must be a point where even they say, thus, and no further, Or are they Christian in name only?
 

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I wonder though, how will the American " Christian" Right react to Trump threatening the holy roman church?
There must be a point where even they say, thus, and no further, Or are they Christian in name only?

I think that the largest group of ‘Christian‘ Americans are Protestants and the more extreme evangelicals are most likely to support Trump: I doubt that many of them will lose faith in Trump. There are still plenty of Catholics, moderate Protestants and atheists who may have their qualms, but whether that will lead to anything remains to be seen. I suspect that the amount of damage it does to Trump will not be great, but why on earth would any sane man start something like this, something that could only cause damage to himself for no gain?
 

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I think that the largest group of ‘Christian‘ Americans are Protestants and the more extreme evangelicals are most likely to support Trump: I doubt that many of them will lose faith in Trump. There are still plenty of Catholics, moderate Protestants and atheists who may have their qualms, but whether that will lead to anything remains to be seen. I suspect that the amount of damage it does to Trump will not be great, but why on earth would any sane man start something like this, something that could only cause damage to himself for no gain?
Knowing them I can see them doing a Henry VIII and breaking away from the Catholic Church to form a new branch based on Trump as its deity.
 

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I wonder though, how will the American " Christian" Right react to Trump threatening the holy roman church?
There must be a point where even they say, thus, and no further, Or are they Christian in name only?
A large group of evangelicals would not recognise the Catholic Church as being truly "Christian" (the meaning of which term only they apparently have authority to define). The various abuse scandals won't have done anything to counter this delusion (never mind the fact that their own house isn't exactly in order).
 

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In other news Melania Trump has given a press conference about supposed relations with Epstein that was not on anyone's bingo card:


First Lady Melania Trump has denied connections to Jeffrey Epstein, telling reporters at the White House that any claims linking the two "need to end today".
In a surprise announcement on Thursday, the first lady called for congressional hearings for survivors of Epstein's sex trafficking.
She also denied online rumours that Epstein introduced her to Donald Trump, calling them "mean-spirited attempts to defame my reputation".
It is unclear what prompted the announcement.
There was no prior indication from her office that she would make a statement on Epstein, and the White House did not share the topic earlier when her remarks were put on its daily schedule.
She said she had not been a victim of Epstein, with whom she only briefly "crossed paths" in 2000.
"I have never had any knowledge of Epstein abuse of his victims," she said. "I was never involved in any capacity. I was not a participant."
She also denied knowing Ghislaine Maxwell, the disgraced financier's jailed associate.
She referred to a 2002 email between her and Maxwell released in the Epstein files, calling it nothing more than "casual correspondence" and a "polite reply".
An email that appears to be the one she referenced is addressed to "G" - presumably for Ghislaine - and includes compliments about a story featuring "JE" with a photo of G that appeared in New York Magazine. She wrote that she "cannot wait" to go to Palm Beach.
"Give me a call when you are back in NY," the email says. "Have a great time! Love, Melania"
The New York Magazine article included quotes from now-President Donald Trump calling Epstein a "terrific guy" and saying "he's a lot of fun to be with".
 

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