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Thoughts on Amtrak and Acela

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LE Greys

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Having now been to the US and travelled around a little, I might put up a few thoughts on Amtrak and the new 'high-speed' version.

Going to anywhere in North America is like going back in time, because almost everything is loco-hauled, and this even provided a loco exchange at Albany (when I had run out of film :( ). The Maple Leaf day train between Oakville and New York Penn ran well, but seemed to take an incredibly long time to get anywhere. Especially the border crossing, which took two full hours with the train just sitting in a siding, as opposed to the Eurostar methods where they deal with 500-1,000 passengers three or four times an hour in a maximum of thirty minutes. We also had some terribly long waits for single-line sections. Catering was not exactly brilliant, but on a par with Intercity. On the other hand, space in second class was better than first class over here, and my 1,000 mile run cost $100 (about £70) which is very competitive. In general, I enjoyed it, but I wish it had been a bit quicker and more efficient.

My Acela run was from New York Penn to Back Bay south of Boston. It was actually very similar to electric Intercity under BR. Despite the extra speed and supplementary fare, it was not all that fast and a Class 91 could probably have kept up with the timetable despite the lack of tilt and 25 mph speed disadvantage. However, they seem to be fettling up the line through the New York suburbs out towards Stamford and New Haven, so expect some speed improvements in a few years. Further along in Connecticut and Rhode Island, it was actually a bit like the Dawlish seawall route, and equally in need of speed increases and bypasses. However, there are some spectacular bridges around Providence, which are worth seeing and travelling over despite the slow speeds required. Catering was not exactly brilliant, but did not need to be, since passengers spend a lot less time on board. Judging by the overcrowding, the service is very successful. I hope that they expand it, perhaps to an hourly operation. This might allow them to remove the supplementary fare. A bit of extra speed should bring New York-Washington and New York-Boston into the three-hour 'day return' range, and make dramatic inroads into the Northeast Corridor air and bus services. Incidentally, there is no tunnel between Boston North and Boston South (despite 'The Big Dig' road project running right past both stations) otherwise the Acela might reach Portland. However, looking southwards we have Charleston, and possibly even Miami (although that is a 12-hour plus run even at 150 the whole way). Westwards we have Pittsburgh, Cleveland and ultimately Chicago. However, I would expect that the other North-East Regional routes would be the next in line for a speed-up.

The most annoying thing about my trip is that someone in Nova Scotia decided to cancel the ferry between Portland and Yarmouth, otherwise I would be able to give you a report on the Downeaster as well.
 
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Much of the infrastructure in the USA is owned by the freight companies. Hence the passenger companies run under sufferance.
 

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Going to anywhere in North America is like going back in time, because almost everything is loco-hauled, and this even provided a loco exchange at Albany (when I had run out of film :( ).

I recall this impression as well. Apart from commuter lines and (to an extent) the Acela, multiple units are almost inconceivable to American railroad operators and regulators for a number of reasons... a) the mixed working of freight and passenger trains on the same lines, and the improved crash resistance offered by a heavy leading locomotive; b) the vast number of unprotected level crossings; and c) the very severe winter snowfall that can more easily be ploughed through by a leading locomotive.

The Maple Leaf day train between Oakville and New York Penn ran well, but seemed to take an incredibly long time to get anywhere. Especially the border crossing, which took two full hours with the train just sitting in a siding, as opposed to the Eurostar methods where they deal with 500-1,000 passengers three or four times an hour in a maximum of thirty minutes.

I agree, but there are many many issues here. Of the three Amtrak trains that cross the border, each handles customs and its general operations differently. Out west, the Cascades has the simplest and most sensible operation, with all customs and immigration handled in a secured platform facility at Vancouver station. US Customs Agents work on site to pre-clear passengers before they even board the train. The Adirondack, between Montréal and New York City, has on-train checks at Rouses Point (southbound for the USA) and Cantic (northbound for Canada). I've spent hours at both of those crossings: even though extra time is scheduled in, delays occur frequently when people with incomplete documentation are found or when British citizens like me hold everyone up purchasing a visa waiver. Cantic's a strange place for the customs check, because it's basically in the middle of nowhere, at a remote rural crossroads in southern Québec. The Maple Leaf, as you noted, has the checks done on-train, but the crossing is further delayed because Amtrak hand the entire train over to VIA Rail for operation north of Niagara... they even empty out the bar car and replace it with their own stock (for that reason, the only Amtrak train to feature both Pepsi and Coca Cola products apparently!). In both cases, the checks are done on train by border guards who drive to the crossing point from near-by road border crossings.

It would, of course, make much more sense to have a dedicated arrivals and departures pre-clearance facility in Montréal for the Adirondack. There are already US and Canadian customs staff at Montréal Trudeau airport, and either Gare Centrale or Windsor Station could easily (if not cheaply) be adapted along the lines of Vancouver station to feature an isolated and secure platform for this process. The Adirondack makes just one stop between Montréal and the border, and I never recall it being used by many passengers. Investing in such facilities at Windsor station might even encourage Amtrak to reconsider the cutback of the Washington DC -> New York City -> northern Vermont "Vermonter" train, which once upon a time continued across the border as the "Montrealer" (nortbound) / "Washingtonian" (southbound), and providing overnight service that complimented the daytime Adirondack. It was when I was living in Montreal in 2005 or 2006 that the last remaining link, the very poorly patronised bus connection between St. Albans, Vermont and Montréal, was lost.

(edit: for an idea of what those halcyon days were like, here's an Adirondack / Montrealer timetable from the late seventies, courtesy of the online museum of Amtrak timetables: http://www.timetables.org/browse/?group=19770501&item=0029)

As for the "Maple Leaf", since it makes stops between Niagara and Toronto, and is quite popular as a domestic service, it would be hard not to do it the current way.

We also had some terribly long waits for single-line sections.

As Wyvern as already commented, the freight companies own most of the tracks, and they can easily flout the federal legislation that is supposed to give priority to Amtrak services over their own freights. It's a huge country, and double tracking on the extent that would make Amtrak services more reliable simply isn't cost effective right now, especially as they don't have the surplus rolling stock to then take advantage of it.

Catering was not exactly brilliant, but on a par with Intercity.

Catering on Amtrak's long distance trains has been on a steady downward slide, but to be honest it's not a great surprise. Long distance trains that travel for upwards of three continuous days need restaurant cars, but they never could make money when they need three or more kitchen and serving staff. I've had a few meals that were freshly prepared on the train and a few that were part of the current 'Simplified Dining Service' that replaced full on-board cooking. Neither were particularly good, but it was a shame that SDS has brought in cheap looking plastic plates. I generally only eat in the dining car for the views and the social experience, however, so the quality of the food never bothered me.

On the other hand, space in second class was better than first class over here, and my 1,000 mile run cost $100 (about £70) which is very competitive.

Yep! That's Amtrak. Whereas VIA Rail Canada generally go for the high end tourist market on their long distance trains, with beautifully restored carriages and good meals, their fares reflect that upscale service. Amtrak should really be compared with Greyhound and other bus companies. On those terms, it always wins hands downs in terms of comfort.

The most annoying thing about my trip is that someone in Nova Scotia decided to cancel the ferry between Portland and Yarmouth, otherwise I would be able to give you a report on the Downeaster as well.

Next time you make it to NS, save some $$$ for a trip on the VIA Rail "Ocean" ... you'll get some great scenery, and a ride on the long lost BR-designed Nightstar carriages!
 

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Next time you make it to NS, save some $$$ for a trip on the VIA Rail "Ocean" ... you'll get some great scenery, and a ride on the long lost BR-designed Nightstar carriages!

That was part of the original plan, but it got blown out of the water when the Cat ferry was taken out of service. Originally, I wanted to fly into Toronto, then go by rail to Halifax, then by coach, ferry and rail to Boston and New York (flying into the US is a lot more trouble then it's worth). However, I ended up doing things the other way round. I remember the Ocean from my previous trip in 2008, and I absolutely loved it. The Nightstar stock was a great loss to British sleeper operations - it could easily have worked the Penzance service. What's more, the food was excellent and you are absolutely right about the scenery.

To add another brief point, why does the GO service around Toronto run hourly with ten-coach double-headers? Why not half-hourly with five coaches and one loco? Capacity constraints can't be the problem, although it could simply be a lack of drivers.
 

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To add another brief point, why does the GO service around Toronto run hourly with ten-coach double-headers? Why not half-hourly with five coaches and one loco? Capacity constraints can't be the problem, although it could simply be a lack of drivers.

I would presume it's the operating costs associated with the F59 and MP40 locomotives... 1 ten coach train being more efficient to haul than 2 five coach rakes. Additionally, some of those routes can get very busy indeed.
 
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I do like American trains routes like The California zephyr , The Acela Express and The Coast Starlight up The West coast as Well as the Hudson line of The Metro north Railroad from Grand central Terminal To Poughkeepsie .The scenery on this line is very English. I would like to back to the states and ride The downeaster from Boston North to Portland


Amtrak run the long distance lines . are there any other commuter Railroads worth trainriding?
 

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I would also recommend Amtrak's Texas Eagle train (Chicago to Los Angeles via San Antonio) and the Empire Builder, which travels through beautiful Glacier National Park.
 

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Any thoughts on services heading towards Florida? I'm planning to visit the Kennedy Space Center in the next couple of years, and like the idea of a trip down the East Coast, with a probable stop in Washington for the Smithsonian. It will have to be in the spring to catch the moderate weather.
 

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Technically, wouldn't a 91 only give away 10mph?! Or arguably none as one has previously topped 150mph on the ECML anyway?! As I understood it, there were only very short zones where 150mph running was allowed with the Acela? Most of it was 100-110mph, which like you say compares to a typical "old style" WCML run.

Interesting comparison though - especially with the space in 2nd compared to our 1st. I find that european (continental) loading gauge, while wider than UK, it often barely noticable - and in fact, in some countries, they simply fill the space with more seats so it feels, if anything MORE cramped than our carriages (which don't "feel" much smaller). So clearly, the US designers and operators have resisted that temptation to cram them in. Maybe of course, the average yank waistline might not fit...
 

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I had a trip on the Carolinan a couple of years ago, Washington to Raleigh. Really good trip, an advance cost £50. Well worth doing again.
 

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Any thoughts on services heading towards Florida? I'm planning to visit the Kennedy Space Center in the next couple of years, and like the idea of a trip down the East Coast, with a probable stop in Washington for the Smithsonian. It will have to be in the spring to catch the moderate weather.

in 2009 i traveled down from New York Penn - Washington, intending to sample the Acela there or back but the cost was too great compared to the non-high speed, but It was a nice ride down through Philadelphia and some nice glimpses of water-side, I was surprised to see so many loco's, especially diesel, along the route, I had an electric HHP-8 i believe, but can't remember the return traction, I remember a Diesel P42DC waiting at DC to take over the service further south, quite nice the Diesels over there, as well i remember another P42DC waiting duties at Penn when i got back in late evening, aw what a great trip! Will have to travel further across the states one day!

in some countries, they simply fill the space with more seats so it feels, if anything MORE cramped than our carriages (which don't "feel" much smaller). So clearly, the US designers and operators have resisted that temptation to cram them in. Maybe of course, the average yank waistline might not fit...

I remember the seats being larger than over here, but I wouldn't say the coach was cramped :)

While on the subject of Amtrak, anyone here traveled the Surfliner? great line with good loco's from LA - San Diego, amazing Scenery, loved every minute of it and will do it again just for a hot dog in the buffet car :P always managed to bag a ride in the cab car cab on the way back from San Diego to Anaheim, must have been around 5 years ago now!
 
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Amtrak run the long distance lines . are there any other commuter Railroads worth trainriding?

I don't know what you're looking for but I'm now a regular commuter on Chicago's Metra rail system - its an "outer suburban" style system using LHCS. I can try to answer any questions.
 

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I don't know what you're looking for but I'm now a regular commuter on Chicago's Metra rail system - its an "outer suburban" style system using LHCS. I can try to answer any questions.

Long Island Rail Road is good, took it to Jamaica for JFK, went past a big yard with Loco's Stock & Wagons near Queens i think it was.
 

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While on the subject of Amtrak, anyone here traveled the Surfliner? great line with good loco's from LA - San Diego, amazing Scenery, loved every minute of it and will do it again just for a hot dog in the buffet car :P always managed to bag a ride in the cab car cab on the way back from San Diego to Anaheim, must have been around 5 years ago now!

Yes, the Surfliner's well worth a trip and there are about a dozen trains a day on this route. San Diego itself is much underrated - great weather, fine parks and museums, and easy access to Mexico via the Tijuana trolley.
 
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