Vulcan
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Pacers arn't that bad, get over it! 
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If I remember rightly, all 142s had overhead racks on both sides, but some were taken out when they were refitted. THere are a couple of units bouncing around happily with two racks.
They were taken out during refits, I can't remember the cited reason.
The Merseyrail 507 and 508s had them removed from one side of the carriage during refurbishment too.
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theblackwatch
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I'm pretty sure that, when built, the pacers had a luggage rack on one side of each vehicle. I would have checked tonight but fortunately my unit back from the pub in Knaresboro' was a 150!
Vulcan
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Well that's true - compared to say - standing in a coal wagon
Also more comfortable then being dragged along the trackbed by by your nose hair - just about
I'm convinced it was two (one each side), for the reason that I recall a concrete block was dropped from a bridge somewhere and the luggage racks were credited with stopping the block falling totally into the saloon. Does anyone else recall this?
Lucky you - I trust the ale was good
Also more comfortable then being dragged along the trackbed by by your nose hair - just about
Too true!
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Lucky you - I trust the ale was good
Yes it was thanks, the usual selection of about 10 ales on offer - only sampled three of them though - the last train home arrived as i was under the subway between the pub and the platform, perfect timing! Otherwise I would have had to catch the bus...
got to Weatherspoons in time for a whisky though !Gotta love a good selection of real ales. Tonight, went to the local 'Spoons, Managed to stay out till 12.30am tonight, got one of the last Metrolinks to Alty and then Taxied home from there. The reason I'm posting is that the 3000 series trams are now out on the Metrolink, and I got one of those tonight. Not impressed at all. They've taken out far too many seats in favour of around a third of the tram being a disabled/buggy area - the tram now seats 50ish rather than 84 on the T series ones. Plus the tram itself seems far smaller in size - coaches of around 10m each, rather than 18m each on the old T-Series. If this is "progress" than I'll stick to the 142's thank you very much.
poshbakerloo
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Ooh and while we're on the topic of how crap the 142s are...
The lights are awful! They are so dim and when going thru a tunnel its almost dark!
The lights are awful! They are so dim and when going thru a tunnel its almost dark!
royaloak
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The new trams are less than two meters shorter. And they are out testing only.
You were drunk
Yes, I was
The 3000 was stopped at Mosley Street, waiting the signal, and so I took the chance to have a look through the windows. The comments made still stand; i.e. it seems a retrograde step to go from 84 seats per tram to 54 seats per tram and the trams seem shorter. But yeah, I'll lay off the Guest Ales at Varsity and the £2 cocktails at Font Bar by Oxford Road Station 
(Tonight's traction was a 323 to Manchester and a Stagecoach "Magic Bus" and then Black Cab home). Again though that raises an issue - how come Stagecoach can refurbish the "Magic Buses" (cheap bargain buses) with decent comfy bench seating, and Northern are taking an age to put similar comfy bench seating on the 142's? They do seem to be dragging their heels...
Yes, I was
There will be more of them running as double trams though - and the old trams will have seats removed as part of their refurbishment IIRC.
poshbakerloo
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Um, when you go into a tunnel it does usually get darker...
I'm not talking slightly dimmer...I'm talking too dark to even read!
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I find that on most trains unless the lights are ultra bright
Gross exaggeration (even on the ex ATN units), but I wouldn't expect any less from you.
Vulcan
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I was reading an old magazine today and saw the headline:
class 142 derailed as engine falls off onto track
and again it made me laugh, it just sums up class 142s perfectly.
class 142 derailed as engine falls off onto track
and again it made me laugh, it just sums up class 142s perfectly.
poshbakerloo
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lol wot?
But it is true tho, try going on a 142 out of Sheffield towards Lincoln, thru the cutting its like night time. but on other trains its fine
Cheers, but I do know the difference between light and dark
Unless that cutting is darker than a tunnel?You (seriously) need your eyes checking - I can see to read perfectly well on a 142 in a tunnel. You are exaggerating because you hate the units.
Vulcan
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If anyone has any complaints about the cabs, i'd like to hear them! 
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northwichcat
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The ex-ATN 142s have completly different lighting to the ex-FNW 142s. Is this where the difference lies? Also I don't think all 142s have all their lights fully working.
poshbakerloo
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Cheers, but I do know the difference between light and dark
You (seriously) need your eyes checking - I can see to read perfectly well on a 142 in a tunnel. You are exaggerating because you hate the units.
Well I guess I kinda hear what you're sayin'
but still the some northern (without proper refurbishment) units are much worse!
PhilipW
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THe DfT announcement today on Manchester - Preston - Blackpool electrification raises the prospect of some Pacers being scrapped. That eventuality is mentioned in the Press Release. Hurray.
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