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Things in living memory which seem very anachronistic now

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In the early-mid 1950s the Biro was an expensive luxury item. Fountains weren't that much less messy than nibs, trying to syphon ink into the container from a bottle (squeezing a 'bladder' inside the casing and releasing it) provided its own likelihood of ink escape
The intermediate stage - late 1960s/early 1970s? - between fountain pens and biros, was the 'cartridge pen', which used plastic cartridges loaded with ink which were slotted into the lower part of the pen which held the nib. These were a lot less messy than siphoning ink from a bottle using a flexible plastic bladder with a narrow metal handle to make the pumping action.
 
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The intermediate stage - late 1960s/early 1970s? - between fountain pens and biros, was the 'cartridge pen', which used plastic cartridges loaded with ink which were slotted into the lower part of the pen which held the nib. These were a lot less messy than siphoning ink from a bottle using a flexible plastic bladder with a narrow metal handle to make the pumping action.
Think those plastic ink cartridges were still in plentiful use in the early 80s if we’re talking about the same thing.

This sort of thing.

E bay seems to have many on sale that look like ones I used in the early 80s for ‘posh writing’ stuff. But they maybe old unused stock.

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This makes me feel old (perhaps I am!) but I remember for most of my school life using those inkwells in the hole in the disk. The nibs we were issued with relied on the gap between the two halves to hold a supply of ink. If the gap was too wide a blot of ink was deposited on one's work on first contact, and conversely one too narrow produced half a letter in ink and then a scratch or even rip in the page. The ink was mixed from water and a seemingly almost-insoluble black powder in lumps.

At Secondary School you also had to be pretty quick at loading up with ink if the master was demanding that you wrote notes of what he said, and he was talking at conversational speed. The sound of nibs crashing into the ink pot could be hectic.

In the early-mid 1950s the Biro was an expensive luxury item. Fountains weren't that much less messy than nibs, trying to syphon ink into the container from a bottle (squeezing a 'bladder' inside the casing and releasing it) provided its own likelihood of ink escape.

I particularly remember at Primary School the School Inspector checked, amongst many other things, that we weren't wasting ratepayers' paper by leaving gaps of more than one line. Our teachers, worried about the consequences for themselves, also checked and censured for failure. At Secondary School every exercise book had the County and Borough Coats of Arms on the cover to reinforce their source.

The desks had a rail bent in a generally U-shape to connect the desk with the seat. The cross section and size of these rails had a strong similarity to that of bullhead narrow gauge rail line.
Fascinating stuff. Thanks for posting. What were your school years roughly.
 
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This makes me feel old (perhaps I am!) but I remember for most of my school life using those inkwells in the hole in the disk. The nibs we were issued with relied on the gap between the two halves to hold a supply of ink. If the gap was too wide a blot of ink was deposited on one's work on first contact, and conversely one too narrow produced half a letter in ink and then a scratch or even rip in the page. The ink was mixed from water and a seemingly almost-insoluble black powder in lumps.
One of my teachers at secondary school (always referred to as "masters") used to claim that school ink was made from "soot and cuttlefish blood". Where that strange phrase originated I have no idea.
 

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This makes me feel old (perhaps I am!) but I remember for most of my school life using those inkwells in the hole in the disk. The nibs we were issued with relied on the gap between the two halves to hold a supply of ink. If the gap was too wide a blot of ink was deposited on one's work on first contact, and conversely one too narrow produced half a letter in ink and then a scratch or even rip in the page. The ink was mixed from water and a seemingly almost-insoluble black powder in lumps.

At Secondary School you also had to be pretty quick at loading up with ink if the master was demanding that you wrote notes of what he said, and he was talking at conversational speed. The sound of nibs crashing into the ink pot could be hectic.

In the early-mid 1950s the Biro was an expensive luxury item. Fountains weren't that much less messy than nibs, trying to syphon ink into the container from a bottle (squeezing a 'bladder' inside the casing and releasing it) provided its own likelihood of ink escape.

I particularly remember at Primary School the School Inspector checked, amongst many other things, that we weren't wasting ratepayers' paper by leaving gaps of more than one line. Our teachers, worried about the consequences for themselves, also checked and censured for failure. At Secondary School every exercise book had the County and Borough Coats of Arms on the cover to reinforce their source.

The desks had a rail bent in a generally U-shape to connect the desk with the seat. The cross section and size of these rails had a strong similarity to that of bullhead narrow gauge rail line.
Fascinating stuff. Thanks for posting. What were your school years roughly?
 

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Our school had a large number of old fashioned single person desks, which as well as having inkwell holes also had a hinged lid with storage underneath. They lived in the basement most of the year, to see the light of day in the summer when they were moved into the gym for exams. They were still used for that purpose when I sat my GCSEs in 1991.
You were lucky! My school had them as regular desks well into the 1980s, and I think even 1990!
Same with the catholic school i changed to. My former primary school had normal wooden tables with metal legs. The catholic school in 2003 had plastic tables with storage underneath.
2003/4 was around when my primary school replaced the hinged desks with modern wood tables with brackets for plastic trays underneath.
 

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The intermediate stage - late 1960s/early 1970s? - between fountain pens and biros, was the 'cartridge pen', which used plastic cartridges loaded with ink which were slotted into the lower part of the pen which held the nib. These were a lot less messy than siphoning ink from a bottle using a flexible plastic bladder with a narrow metal handle to make the pumping action.
Cartridges are a replacement for the bladder, but the pen is still a fountain pen. Mine allow me to swap between the two, but I much prefer bottled ink for the colours I can choose between.
 

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The intermediate stage - late 1960s/early 1970s? - between fountain pens and biros, was the 'cartridge pen', which used plastic cartridges loaded with ink which were slotted into the lower part of the pen which held the nib. These were a lot less messy than siphoning ink from a bottle using a flexible plastic bladder with a narrow metal handle to make the pumping action.
Around then. I used cartridge pens throughout secondary school - 1969-76. (may have switched to ballpoint in the sixth form - can't remember)
 

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Think those plastic ink cartridges were still in plentiful use in the early 80s if we’re talking about the same thing.

This sort of thing.

E bay seems to have many on sale that look like ones I used in the early 80s for ‘posh writing’ stuff. But they maybe old unused stock.

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Fascinating stuff. Thanks for posting. What were your school years roughly.
We were using them in the 90s. Our head teacher wanted everyone to learn calligraphy. My handwriting actually got worse as a result but it was fun trying to learn :D
 

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We were using them in the 90s. Our head teacher wanted everyone to learn calligraphy. My handwriting actually got worse as a result but it was fun trying to learn :D

That’s the thing that is wrong with schools they approach learning as if there is only one way to learn.
 

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Our school had a large number of old fashioned single person desks, which as well as having inkwell holes also had a hinged lid with storage underneath. They lived in the basement most of the year, to see the light of day in the summer when they were moved into the gym for exams. They were still used for that purpose when I sat my GCSEs in 1991.
When I was at school in 1900 and frozen to death those desks belonged to an individual pupil. Each form was based in one of the classrooms and everybody had their own desk and you kept stuff (i.e text books not required that day, but nothing valuable) in the desk. As we perambulated around the school to a different classroom for each lesson the first thing you did was raise the lid to see what the "owner" had left in it. I remember going into Room 5 for a music lesson, lifting the desk lid and finding a piece of paper with "Bathoven" written on it. I wondered for a second or two what a Bathoven was until realising it was somebody's way of spelling Beethoven. He's been Bathoven too me ever since.
 

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That’s the thing that is wrong with schools they approach learning as if there is only one way to learn.
The headteacher was very... artsy. We made our own dyed journals, lots of trips out to do sketching or painting, etc. It was great in some ways, but yeah the handwriting didn't work out for me. I now work mainly on computers and don't really see me trying to improve it at this point in my life.
 

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Have you still got your telegram from Her Majesty The Queen :cake:
Better than that, where's the certificate from Guinness World Records certifying they're the oldest living person on Earth, and by quite some margin! :)
 

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Better than that, where's the certificate from Guinness World Records certifying they're the oldest living person on Earth, and by quite some margin! :)
I wonder how people feel when they get a Guinness World Record, then someone nabs their title shortly after. Do they take the framed certificate down from the wall at home? There must also be people who try and 'collect' them.
 

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I wonder how people feel when they get a Guinness World Record, then someone nabs their title shortly after. Do they take the framed certificate down from the wall at home? There must also be people who try and 'collect' them.
Well, you can only have the title “world’s oldest person” nabbed off you in one of two ways - and in one of those you’re going to be past caring. As an aside - we’ve all been the world’s youngest person - even if only for a nanosecond!
 

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Well, you can only have the title “world’s oldest person” nabbed off you in one of two ways - and in one of those you’re going to be past caring. As an aside - we’ve all been the world’s youngest person - even if only for a nanosecond!
Yes ok very true on being the oldest person! :D

Unless idk you go off in a canoe for a while and people think you're dead but it turns out you weren't I suppose.
 

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Are you saying you are in debt and plan to fake your death only to appear in a housing guide?

IYKYK
Not only that, he went back to his home town and was wandering about.
Friends/Relatives recognized him, but the Police couldn't do much.

I think there is a docudrama about this, might be worth a watch again.

A quick google: There is, it's on ITVX
 

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One of my teachers at secondary school (always referred to as "masters") used to claim that school ink was made from "soot and cuttlefish blood". Where that strange phrase originated I have no idea.
The rubbish inkwell ink may well have been that, but after a while we were using either 'Stephen's' ink or 'Parker Quink'. In the 'italic hell years', my school mandated the use of 'Osmiroid 65' fountain pens which weren't anything special. The later cartridge pens were mostly made by Platignum.
 

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Does anyone remember the time you had to pay for to reserve a seat on British Rail services (think it was £1 on top of your ticket), it was only services that had compulsory reservations that reservations were free, then advance fares came in?
 

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Does anyone remember the time you had to pay for to reserve a seat on British Rail services (think it was £1 on top of your ticket), it was only services that had compulsory reservations that reservations were free, then advance fares came in?
Yep - I recall that, can't recall when it ended - and sometimes now I increasingly wonder if it would not be a good idea to re-instate it.

That way people who actually wanted a reservation, and would then seek out their seats and sit in them, would pay the small sum required -
but
- people who were price sensitive and didn't really want one anyway - would not book one - that way people on trains with reservations available but who were only doing a short local journey but had booked on line ahead (eg New Street to Coventry) for example - wouldn't spend time either sitting somewhere else leaving longer distance passengers unsure if they should settle down and occupy the reserved but unoccupied seat - or struggle down the train to their reserved seat believing they had to sit in it.

But I know National Express East Coast came in for a lot of stick when they took on the franchise and introduced such a seat reservation fee in c2007 IIRC.
 

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Fascinating stuff. Thanks for posting. What were your school years roughly?

Thanks

I started in September 1954, two months after my 5th birthday.

Definitely not trying to be a fifth Yorkshireman but our county was a backwater. My first conscious memories are of the Coronation and heavy flooding, both must have been 1953. At that time our rented house was a stone built terrace with stone flag floors and the w.c. in an unlit shed at the bottom of the garden. It had been condemned as unfit for human habitation before the War but un-condemned around 1940 for some reason... The village (on the outskirts of an expanding town) High Street on which we lived had gas street-lights apart from a much-admired electric one near the junction with the (then) A50. Milk was delivered by horse and cart and milk was poured from a churn into your jug by the milk-man. We were next door to a butcher that slaughtered animals sourced locally. Children slightly older had caught TB but this was being eradicated - the scare of my age group was polio. Luckily I only caught whooping cough, scarlet fever and chicken pox (not all at once, for the sake of clarity!) etc, soon recovered. I did say that 'I'm not that old' but reading that might seem from a distant world.

Most of my school-friends lived in similar circumstances, some slightly better, some worse. What was present then was optimism about the future and everything did seem to be getting better quickly. The Eagle boys' paper always had optimistic articles about new inventions that would soon make life even better. We moved into a council house in 1956. Luxury!

I try to retain that optimism today but it is difficult ...
 

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Does anyone remember the time you had to pay for to reserve a seat on British Rail services (think it was £1 on top of your ticket), it was only services that had compulsory reservations that reservations were free, then advance fares came in?
In the mid 1980s I did that for a Christmas Eve train from Leicester to London, expecting it to be busy. The reservation was in the rear carriage, where I was the only passenger.
 

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Cartridges are a replacement for the bladder, but the pen is still a fountain pen. Mine allow me to swap between the two, but I much prefer bottled ink for the colours I can choose between.
I’m currently using a 3 part set of biro, propelling pencil and cartridge pen that I bought about 1982, when for a few years my then job included a lot of draft letter writing, for the typists! I found the cartridge pen much less tiring for regular use than a biro. I found the boxed set gathering dust at the back of a drawer about a year ago, and after running the nib section under a hot tap for a minute found it worked fine with a new cartridge. I’m more used to various ‘rollerball’ pens nowadays, but the cartridge pen still has a use - I did my few Christmas cards with it…
 

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Did the A50 ever go through Yorkshire?
Don't think so, although think it possibly was once contemplated, before becoming re-scoped as the M1. The A50 road that actually got built is Leicester to Warrington (via Leicestershire, Derbyshire, Staffordshire and Cheshire). Possibly the list would once have included Lancashire also prior to 1974 County boundary changes.
 

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