The two Edgware Road stations

[Panceltic]

Hello all,

these two stations get me wondering ... why were they never connected? Looking at carto-metro, the platforms are not very far apart. Is it because a better connection is available at Paddington?

Thanks

 

[CatfordCat]

apologies if stating the obvious, they were built by separate companies.

there were a few poor connections, e.g. British Museum (Central London Railway) to Holborn (Piccadilly line) which did get sorted out

The connections between the Northern (ex City & South London) and Bakerloo bits at Elephant and Castle involve a fair walk, likewise the Bakerloo (former Trafalgar Square) to Northern (former Strand) bits at Charing Cross.

Not sure how much serious thought was ever given to connecting the two Edgware Road stations - interchanges can be made at Paddington or Baker Street

 

[Busaholic]

One station is in a tube and the other, much earlier, station sub-surface. No connection is needed in any sense of the word, what is needed is the renaming of one of them. The sub-surface station is much more important in many regards, so imo that one should retain its existing name. It will probably only happen if a couple of people in TfL get behind it. I know from personal experience that a long-standing name CAN change, as when Charing Cross on the District/Northern became Embankment when I was working for the Northern Line, to avoid all the confusion with the BR Charing Cross. served by Trafalgar Square on the Bakerloo and Strand on the Northern.

 

[edwin_m]

One station is in a tube and the other, much earlier, station sub-surface. No connection is needed in any sense of the word, what is needed is the renaming of one of them. The sub-surface station is much more important in many regards, so imo that one should retain its existing name. It will probably only happen if a couple of people in TfL get behind it. I know from personal experience that a long-standing name CAN change, as when Charing Cross on the District/Northern became Embankment when I was working for the Northern Line, to avoid all the confusion with the BR Charing Cross. served by Trafalgar Square on the Bakerloo and Strand on the Northern.

Agree with that. There isn't any real need to change between lines at Edgware Road as the same lines interchange at Baker Street or Paddington. However it appears to be on the list of Out of Station Interchanges in case anyone tries it. So it would be far less confusing to rename one of them - it doesn't matter too much that they would be close together with different names like Euston Square and Warren Street.

 

[jopsuk]

Edgeware Road Sub Surface doesn't have an entrance on Edgeware Road. It's on the corner of Cabbell Street and Chapel Street.

 

[Busaholic]

Edgeware Road Sub Surface doesn't have an entrance on Edgeware Road. It's on the corner of Cabbell Street and Chapel Street.

Bond Street Station is much further from Bond Street (take your pick - Old or New) than EDGWARE Road (note spelling) sub-surface is from the street whose name it bears, and has done since the 19th century. The District Line runs basically east - west against the Bakerloo basically north-south, so it only crosses or comes close to Edgware Road at this one point, whereas Warwick Avenue, for instance, might be nearer to where somebody wants to reach in Edgware Road than the Bakerloo station of that name.

Edgware Road Bakerloo would, in an ideal world, be called Paddington Green to mirror the police edifice of that name opposite, also reflecting the name of the area where, until the early 1960s, trolleybus routes used to terminate with that name on the blinds at 1-2 minute intervals during peak hours. However, the name Paddington Green would doubtless be said to transfer the nominal problem.

 

[edwin_m]

Some of these stations being named after streets some distance away are due to the entrance having been moved when they were converted from lifts to escalators, and it wasn't possible to bring a sloping escalator shaft down to the platforms from the previous entrance site. This is true for Chancery Lane for example but not Bond Street.

According to Wikipedia it was proposed in 2007 to rename Edgware Road (Bakerloo) as Church Street Market.

With the sorting out of Shepherds Bush, I think Hammersmith is now the only pair of stations with the same name but no off-street connection for passengers. In this case they are just across the street from each other and many journeys involve changing from one to the other, to the extent that the Tube map shows them as an interchange, so renaming one of them would be counter-productive.

 

[simple simon]

Renaming would be a good idea but Paddington Green might confuse some people, especially tourists.

Interchange at Paddington only works well if going to the District / Circle platforms. Going to the Hammersmith & City / Circle platforms involves a long walk and an OSI.

Simon

 

[Busaholic]

Renaming would be a good idea but Paddington Green might confuse some people, especially tourists.



Simon

That's why I wasn't advocating it - actually imo almost any name would do associated with the district so long as it couldn't be confused with any other station.

 

[W-on-Sea]

Bethnal Green Underground and Overground stations really could do with one of them being renamed, as they're not even that close together. The other glaring anomalies of station names in London that I can think of from recent decades (BR Wood Green becoming Alexandra Palace, the two BR stations adjacent to West Hampstead tube finally all sharing a version of that name) seem to have been resolved satisfactorily

 

[edwin_m]

Interchange at Paddington only works well if going to the District / Circle platforms. Going to the Hammersmith & City / Circle platforms involves a long walk and an OSI.

Yes it's a long walk at Paddington, but is it really going to take longer than travelling an extra station, an OSI with a slightly shorter walk on street, and returning an extra station? The OSI could be kept after a renaming, so anyone who really wanted to change there still could.

 

[MarlowDonkey]

Going to the Hammersmith & City / Circle platforms involves a long walk and an OSI.

It's particularly annoying when you arrive on a local train that uses what used to be called the Paddington "suburban" platforms. What used to be a convenient bridge is no longer available, so you have to walk halfway towards the Praed Street platforms or the Bakerloo, before being able to turn back.

 

[swt_passenger]

It's particularly annoying when you arrive on a local train that uses what used to be called the Paddington "suburban" platforms. What used to be a convenient bridge is no longer available, so you have to walk halfway towards the Praed Street platforms or the Bakerloo, before being able to turn back.

It was going to be available in the original planning application, even though there'd still have been another gateline, but it disappeared at some stage and that end of the footbridge had an electrical equipment room built into it instead.

Copy of drawing attached highlighting the barriers.

 

[Mojo]

It was going to be available in the original planning application, even though there'd still have been another gateline, but it disappeared at some stage and that end of the footbridge had an electrical equipment room built into it instead.

Copy of drawing attached highlighting the barriers.

Interesting gateline; I wonder how that would have worked; would it have been an entry to NR or an exit from LU? Did Mainline services from Waterloo East take Oyster before Southeastern installed their gateline? If so, how did that one work?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Given the considerable distances between the stations at Paddington it would probably be very helpful to passengers if they were to re-instate the Praed Street and Bishop's Road suffixes to the two sub-surface stations.

 

[MikeWh]

Did Mainline services from Waterloo East take Oyster before Southeastern installed their gateline? If so, how did that one work?

Yes, they had a set of 4 or 6 validators adjacent to the fire doors along the overbridge.

 

[swt_passenger]

Interesting gateline; I wonder how that would have worked; would it have been an entry to NR or an exit from LU?

It would have been an NR exit/entry. It would have given access to the unpaid pedestrian area that connects the canal entrance and the taxi rank, to get to the H&C you'd have had to enter through their separate gate line which is over to the left on the diagram.

The horizontal line above the words LU STATION is a physical barrier, a glass wall I think as built.

 

[island]

Renaming would be a good idea but Paddington Green might confuse some people, especially tourists.

Interchange at Paddington only works well if going to the District / Circle platforms. Going to the Hammersmith & City / Circle platforms involves a long walk and an OSI.

Simon

Interchange from the Bakerloo line at Paddington won't be possible at all in a few days' time.

 

[cjohnson]

It's all the more confusing at Paddington now - on the e/b District/Circle platform the Bakerloo line signs have been taped over, and replaced with signage instructing passengers to "Edgware Road for Bakerloo line"... but of course this is right next to the dot matrix displays and other signage showing all the next District/Circle trains terminating at the other Edgware Road!

 

[Busaholic]

When the London Ambulance Service revealed they had dispatched ambulances to the wrong Edgware Road station at the time of the 7/7/05 bombings I really thought that would be a wake-up call for TfL to end this confusion, but it seems like the message never got through. I sent a letter to the Independent newspaper, which got published, but no-one took it up.

 

[NoMorePacers]

They will never link the 2 stations up and it is highly unlikely that they will be renamed

 

[Busaholic]

They will never link the 2 stations up and it is highly unlikely that they will be renamed

Agree on the first point but not on the second - it needs someone influential to get behind it. A new Mayor?

 

[NoMorePacers]

Yes (serious bit) - (joke) vote UKIP for renaming to Great British execution chamber (Don't take that seriously)

 

[DavyCrocket]

When the London Ambulance Service revealed they had dispatched ambulances to the wrong Edgware Road station at the time of the 7/7/05 bombings I really thought that would be a wake-up call for TfL to end this confusion, but it seems like the message never got through. I sent a letter to the Independent newspaper, which got published, but no-one took it up.

Emergency services are given a location code from a control centre- (staff shouldn't dial 999 except for BTP as controllers call direct to ambulance or fire control rooms) as well as the station name. They then go to that point (such as outside 17 High Street) Some stations will have more than one place and this will depend on where a vehicle is coming from or where the person is in the station. the emergency services will be met by LU staff at that point.

 

[Mikey C]

They will never link the 2 stations up and it is highly unlikely that they will be renamed

Well after 100 years, they renamed the H&C Shepherd's Bush station (after Westfield and the Overground station opened) so it can be done!

 

[urbophile]

Embankment was called Charing Cross for years while Strand (Northern Line) was always advertised as the station to change for Charing Cross mainline. It took the Jubilee Line to make them see sense. And I believe the late lamented Aldwych was originally called Strand.

The Edgware Road thing is strange, because there is never any reason to change between the two, unlike Hammersmith where in any case the two stations face each other. Moreover, Edgware Road could be confused with Edgware itself: it seems an unlikely mistake perhaps but a visitor unfamiliar with London travelling from Euston (Square) to Wimbledon was advised by us to change at Edgware Road, and she ended up taking the Northern Line to Edgware!

 

[Mikey C]

Embankment was called Charing Cross for years while Strand (Northern Line) was always advertised as the station to change for Charing Cross mainline. It took the Jubilee Line to make them see sense. And I believe the late lamented Aldwych was originally called Strand.

The Edgware Road thing is strange, because there is never any reason to change between the two, unlike Hammersmith where in any case the two stations face each other. Moreover, Edgware Road could be confused with Edgware itself: it seems an unlikely mistake perhaps but a visitor unfamiliar with London travelling from Euston (Square) to Wimbledon was advised by us to change at Edgware Road, and she ended up taking the Northern Line to Edgware!

I hope visitors don't get Tottenham Court Road confused with Tottenham Hale

I once was asked (on Borough Hugh Street) instructions by a lost driver, who clearly had got Kennington and Kensington mixed up...

 

[BanburyBlue]

I was waiting at Oxford station once, when two people got off the train (tourists I assume) and asked the way to Oxford Circus!!

 

[Mikey C]

I was waiting at Oxford station once, when two people got off the train (tourists I assume) and asked the way to Oxford Circus!!

Maybe Billy Smart's circus was visiting Oxford

 

[edwin_m]

Then there are all the tourists who turn up in east London looking for Shakespeare's birthplace.

However the New York Subway is worse. Most of the lines follow streets with stations named after the intersecting streets, so where there are parallel subway routes there are usually several stations of the same name space a few blocks apart on the same street.