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The Railway: First Great Western on Channel 5

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I know one of the drivers that was on the filmed train and he was saying it was taking up to 20 minutes to get the train back up the hill into the station simple because it was slipping continuously, that really wouldnt have made good watching!

He also commented on the food provided by the Dartmoor rly especially the trifle, rather good would be the most appropriate phrase, he asked if he could go up there the next day (his day off) just for the food! :lol:

I still don't see why pulling away from a stop on slippery rails wasn't shown and re-iterate my earlier post that this is an important part of training.

Any drivers able to give an insight in what is briefed to them about this rather than the stopping part which was covered on the programme?
 
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There are sevaral different ways-
The boring way, just whack it open and let the electronics do their bit (unprofessional in my mind).
Take power gently until you find the point where grip is lost and back off a bit to maintain the acceleration.
Take a lot of power and hit the sand button.
 

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Why was Maureen going around with Kimberley? Two guards?

[Aside: I think Kimberley is the only guard I've ever seem wearing a skirt/dress. Could be disadvantageous if she has to go down onto the line...]

They said they were working as a pair because the service had a reputation to be troublesome.
 

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I still don't see why pulling away from a stop on slippery rails wasn't shown and re-iterate my earlier post that this is an important part of training.

Any drivers able to give an insight in what is briefed to them about this rather than the stopping part which was covered on the programme?

Well first of all it was an entertainment/documentary programme, it wasn't a driver training video that was being made. And secondly taking power in skippy conditions is pretty boring to watch. Stopping it is dramatic enough to show on a non-training video. They put the brakes in, lost everything and skidded out of control until the train stopped. That is far more interesting than watching 10 mins of a driver opening power gently, loosing traction so shutting off, resetting power and taking power again.

As far as taking power on skippy rails it depends on the type of train. Generally the rule is to open up much slower and rather than have full power open by say 10mph you build up power so may still be in half power by 30/40mph. You can manually lay sand when sliding occurs on acceleration but I tend not to as i don't like the thought of depleting the sand supply's on traction, I'd prefer to keep the sand in reserve incase I need it on braking. I'd prefer to run 20mins late and be able to stop easier.

On some units like 455, 313, 315 etc you can hand notch or sub notch which basically kills off resistances slower so you open into shunt power and over time knock the power handle quickly into series then back to shunt which gives a more gradual acceleration. After about 6 series notches you take it into parallel and back to series or shunt quickly depending on the stock and once again notch it back and forth a few times.

You can also sort if do this between full power and weak field power on a 317 (317s can be a real nightmare to get power on in poor conditions).
 

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Why was Maureen going around with Kimberley? Two guards?

[Aside: I think Kimberley is the only guard I've ever seem wearing a skirt/dress. Could be disadvantageous if she has to go down onto the line...]

Some late and early trains are double-manned because of the extra potential for trouble.

I wouldn't have messed with that pair! They are two of the best.
 

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A - driver:-Thanks for your explanation, thinking about it more you are right if the programme is to appeal to everyone it cannot concentrate too much on certain aspects that people like us might be more interested in!
 

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A - driver:-Thanks for your explanation, thinking about it more you are right if the programme is to appeal to everyone it cannot concentrate too much on certain aspects that people like us might be more interested in!

No worries and I meant slippy rails, not skippy rails as autocorrect oh so helpfully put in.
 

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Some late and early trains are double-manned because of the extra potential for trouble.

I wouldn't have messed with that pair! They are two of the best.

The same reason I suspect why the 03:58 Swansea - London service has a lot more members of staff on it in additional to a few BTP officers on a saturday morning
 
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Why was Maureen going around with Kimberley? Two guards?

[Aside: I think Kimberley is the only guard I've ever seem wearing a skirt/dress. Could be disadvantageous if she has to go down onto the line...]


That train is double crewed and if they don't have two guards, the train doesn't go.
 

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Some late and early trains are double-manned because of the extra potential for trouble.

I wouldn't have messed with that pair! They are two of the best.

Minus the Swansea - Pad as mentioned below, I'm curious as to which other early morning trains are seen as trouble potential?!
 

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Because you have people who have been out all night trying to get home. Most are just tired and emotional, but some are a bit more ott. From Brighton the first mainline and westcoast services are noted for being a bit, well.... Also come and join us on a fri/sat night at Victoria on the 02.00/03.00/04.00 for fun and games.
 

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The same reason I suspect why the 03:58 Swansea - London service has a lot more members of staff on it in additional to a few BTP officers on a saturday morning

That train is a class of it's own, as far a Bridgend, anyway!
 

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Good to see when they are not filming that at times of disruption at Paddington all the staff disappear on the concourse. On the programme at thease times they had plenty of staff. Tonight the total was 2.
 

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Good to see when they are not filming that at times of disruption at Paddington all the staff disappear on the concourse. On the programme at thease times they had plenty of staff. Tonight the total was 2.

Of course it's got nothing to do with the fact it's a Sunday, less manpower everywhere!
 

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Good to see when they are not filming that at times of disruption at Paddington all the staff disappear on the concourse. On the programme at thease times they had plenty of staff. Tonight the total was 2.

They did feature it, if you pay attention you will see many times on the programme where the Barriers are left open and no staff standing around during disruption or at least far few than there are normally! ;)
 

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The gates were open tonight as well so where were all open as per the programme.
As Sunday tea time is a very busy time for leisure travellors I would think they should have more than 2 staff available for the concourse. As I said I bet they would have found more staff if the cameras were still there.
 

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Talking of cameras, I bet if you tried to take photos of there being no staff, you'd very quickly meet lots of them. ;)
 

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Of course an often forgotten part of disruption is that some staff normally found on platforms and concourses then have to start hanging around in offices to coordinate things, pass on information to their colleagues regarding train movements and other issues and override auto announcements particularly in this day and age where station staff numbers have generally been cut right down. Certainly the control room on my (large) station isn't normally continuously manned now, we all have other things to do as well.
 

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I got completely bored of this dumbed down over-dramatised programme after about the 3rd episode. Haven't watched it since.
 

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That train is a class of it's own, as far a Bridgend, anyway!

I know that having used i a few times from Bridgend to London on a saturday as there used to always be a good number fo cheap advance tickets.

Between Bridgend and Cardiff the train is ok nirmally then you get a good number traveling to Newport
 

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I got completely bored of this dumbed down over-dramatised programme after about the 3rd episode. Haven't watched it since.

It wasn't that bad in my opinion - but they didn't have many exciting incidents and many of the different events were, as you might expect, rather similar.

By the end, they were including more footage of other operators and using even older footage (and not their own) of things like railway trespassing to pad things out.

I did wonder at the outset how they were ever going to fill 12 episodes, and they could have easily covered just about everything they did in just 5 or 6.
 

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Or they could have followed me - I'd have kept them going :D

You should not only have your own series, but I think you should just have a camera crew following you - as well as you having your own body mounted camera.. then stream it live on YouTube!
 

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I got completely bored of this dumbed down over-dramatised programme after about the 3rd episode. Haven't watched it since.
There were many annoying over-dramatised bits. The most memorable one for me being the group of schoolkids and the narration making it sound like the apocolypse because the teacher with the tickets had gone for a pee.

However if you watch on youtube or record it then you can skip past the crap and bits you're not interested in, makes things more enjoyable.
 

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You should not only have your own series, but I think you should just have a camera crew following you - as well as you having your own body mounted camera.. then stream it live on YouTube!

It would make Waynes World look like a masterpiece!
 

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But would watching you throw a fare dodging scrote out of a droplight window on a HST doing 100mph make good viewing and would it be good publicity for FGW? :lol:
 

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But would watching you throw a fare dodging scrote out of a droplight window on a HST doing 100mph make good viewing and would it be good publicity for FGW? :lol:

Naw, you must be confusing me with somebody else <D
 
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