The 'Parkway' suffix problem

[mwmbwls]

Based on the success of Buckshaw Park near Chorley this has to be seen as a good idea although personally I would prefer a more geographically correct station name than “Anywhere Parkway” or perhaps some reference to the former Radio Mast site – any suggestions?

In this case a new name would save the expense of having to rename Rugby as “Rugby not the Parkway”

Local papers have picked up on the Council's press release.
:http://rugbyobserver.co.uk/news/second-train-station-for-rugby-proposed-8034/

A new rail station near DIRFT has been given the green light by Warwickshire County Council.
Warwickshire councillors have voted in favour of building the Rugby Parkway Station on the A428-Crick Road, on land between DIRFT and the existing housing at Hillmorton...

...Rugby Parkway Station will be located on the Northampton Loop of the West Coast Main Line and it is hoped it will be used by commuters to DIRFT and by mast site residents to get into Rugby town centre....

 

[THC]

I thought that the old BR found the right recipe for naming such stations when it opened Haddenham and Thame Parkway, which encompassed both the name of the place in which it was located and the larger nearby settlement it aimed to serve. That's why I was slightly disappointed to see Chiltern totally overlook Kidlington when naming Oxford Parkway. (Warwick Parkway is a slightly different case as the nearest settlement of any size is of course Warwick).

Using this convention would give Hillmorton and Rugby Parkway for the new station. I think that's sufficiently different to the existing Rugby station to avoid any need to rename it.

THC

 

[Bletchleyite]

Based on the success of Buckshaw Park near Chorley

I'd rather that one had kept its old name of Euxton ROF. FWIW, it's a shame the old station, which was in remarkably good condition for being abandoned, couldn't have been re-used, or the new one built in the wartime style.

 

[mwmbwls]

I thought that the old BR found the right recipe for naming such stations when it opened Haddenham and Thame Parkway, which encompassed both the name of the place in which it was located and the larger nearby settlement it aimed to serve. That's why I was slightly disappointed to see Chiltern totally overlook Kidlington when naming Oxford Parkway. (Warwick Parkway is a slightly different case as the nearest settlement of any size is of course Warwick).

Using this convention would give Hillmorton and Rugby Parkway for the new station. I think that's sufficiently different to the existing Rugby station to avoid any need to rename it.

THC

A neat,coherent and elegant solution -thank you.

 

[Diplodicus]

Population grows by 15,000.
Car parking for 260 cars?

Mmm, anyone else spot the shortest planning horizon??

 

[QueensCurve]

I thought that the old BR found the right recipe for naming such stations when it opened Haddenham and Thame Parkway, which encompassed both the name of the place in which it was located and the larger nearby settlement it aimed to serve. That's why I was slightly disappointed to see Chiltern totally overlook Kidlington when naming Oxford Parkway. (Warwick Parkway is a slightly different case as the nearest settlement of any size is of course Warwick).

They also smuggled through novel titles as in Alfreton and Mansfield Parkway.

 

[swt_passenger]

We had a thread about Rugby Parkway a few days ago here:

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=121755

I also suggested that they might as well just call the station Hillmorton.

I shall ask the mods to combine the threads.

 

[bramling]

We had a thread about Rugby Parkway a few days ago here:

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=121755

I also suggested that they might as well just call the station Hillmorton.

I shall ask the mods to combine the threads.

Agree Hillmorton would be a more sensible name.

Why do so many new stations have to be "Parkway" nowadays?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Agree Hillmorton would be a more sensible name.

Why do so many new stations have to be "Parkway" nowadays?

It basically implies "not in the place concerned, but has a big car park", and is quite well known as such.

Then again...would you go on to rename? Would you, for instance, want "South Bucks Parkway" instead of "Tring"? (It isn't even in the town).

 

[thenorthern]

Alfreton and Mansfield Parkway was a name I never really understood as the station was some distance from Mansfield and for a large part of the town Chesterfield was the closest station plus going Mansfield to/from Alfreton on the A38 is a challenge in itself.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Alfreton and Mansfield Parkway was a name I never really understood as the station was some distance from Mansfield and for a large part of the town Chesterfield was the closest station plus going Mansfield to/from Alfreton on the A38 is a challenge in itself.

Yeah, looking at a map I'm not quite sure why you wouldn't just go to Chesterfield.

Wasn't it "Alfreton Mansfield Parkway" without the "and"?

 

[plastictaffy]

Anyone able tp pinpoint where on a map the station will actually go?? I'm imagining on the bit just before the WCML joins the loop, just to the south of Hilmorton OHNS.

 

[Tetchytyke]

Alfreton and Mansfield Parkway was a name I never really understood as the station was some distance from Mansfield

It was a PR move as Mansfield, at the time, was well known as the largest town in the country without a railway station.

I preferred the older system of "xx Junction" meaning "flipping miles from xx"

 

[Bletchleyite]

I preferred the older system of "xx Junction" meaning "flipping miles from xx"

Wasn't that "XX Road"? "XX Junction" meant "the junction where you change for the branch line to XX", though the Beeching cuts of course made the two the same.

 

[sheff1]

Wasn't it "Alfreton Mansfield Parkway" without the "and"?

Definitely with an "and".

The one I never quite understood was Port Talbot Parkway - close to the centre of town and not an especially large car park.

 

[miami]

It basically implies "not in the place concerned, but has a big car park", and is quite well known as such.

Then again...would you go on to rename? Would you, for instance, want "South Bucks Parkway" instead of "Tring"? (It isn't even in the town).

Sounds far more descriptive.

I wouldn't go for 260 car park spaces as being "big" though. Tring 500, Leighton Buzzard 667, Northampton 700.

 

[The Planner]

Anyone able tp pinpoint where on a map the station will actually go?? I'm imagining on the bit just before the WCML joins the loop, just to the south of Hilmorton OHNS.

Apparently on the DIRFT side of the A428 bridge.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Sounds far more descriptive.

I wouldn't go for 260 car park spaces as being "big" though. Tring 500, Leighton Buzzard 667, Northampton 700.

True, but LBZ and NMP have substantial demand from the town surrounding them, whereas the hamlet of Tring Station doesn't really have many commuters (nor indeed inhabitants of any kind)!

A lot of demand I believe comes from the Aylesbury area due to the superior level of service on the WCML.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Definitely with an "and".

The one I never quite understood was Port Talbot Parkway - close to the centre of town and not an especially large car park.

Didcot Parkway is another, but I'm not familiar with the local history of those parts so perhaps it made more sense when the Parkway part of the name was first applied.

 

[swt_passenger]

Didcot Parkway is another, but I'm not familiar with the local history of those parts so perhaps it made more sense when the Parkway part of the name was first applied.

Dicot Parkway is simply a Parkway station for the wider area for people traveling elsewhere, that happens to be in Didcot. It is not really a park and ride for Didcot.

Just like Southampton Parkway isn't really there for getting to Southampton. It's to feed outgoing passengers into the rail network from the M27 corridor. It's really a London Park and Ride...

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Dicot Parkway is simply a Parkway station for the wider area for people traveling elsewhere, that happens to be in Didcot. It is not really a park and ride for Didcot.

Just like Southampton Parkway isn't really there for getting to Southampton. It's to feed outgoing passengers into the rail network from the M27 corridor. It's really a London Park and Ride...

That's what I mean though: if I was required to travel to Didcot, the station being called Didcot Parkway would make me think I'd also have to think about getting from the station to the town itself (see also Tiverton Parkway, which is used as a railhead not just for Tiverton but also Barnstaple and most of Exmoor).

 

[miami]

True, but LBZ and NMP have substantial demand from the town surrounding them, whereas the hamlet of Tring Station doesn't really have many commuters (nor indeed inhabitants of any kind)!

A lot of demand I believe comes from the Aylesbury area due to the superior level of service on the WCML.

You'd be crazy to drive to the station in LBZ, get a bike, or walk for a bit -- it's 1.8 miles from Gibson Drive on the far side of town and I believe there was a bus. The entire of Linslade is less than a mile, the average LBZ resident must be within a mile of the station.

That really leaves people from Wing, Hockliffe and Heath and Reach.

 

[6Gman]

Population grows by 15,000.
Car parking for 260 cars?

Mmm, anyone else spot the shortest planning horizon??

Following the Warwick Parkway model.

Build a car park.

Extend it.

Extend it again.

And then a bit more.

And then on t'other side of road ....

 

[Bevan Price]

Not sure it will attract lots of people going to Rugby. 4 mins. ride to Rugby station - then another 10 minutes uphill walk to the town centre.

More likely to attract people going to Northampton, Milton Keynes & London, I suspect.

 

[Andrewlong]

Population grows by 15,000.
Car parking for 260 cars?

Mmm, anyone else spot the shortest planning horizon??

260 spaces feels too small. Do they have access to expand it or have funds to build a multi storey?

 

[didcotdean]

That's what I mean though: if I was required to travel to Didcot, the station being called Didcot Parkway would make me think I'd also have to think about getting from the station to the town itself (see also Tiverton Parkway, which is used as a railhead not just for Tiverton but also Barnstaple and most of Exmoor).

Didcot Town Council has repeatedly called for the 'Parkway' suffix to be dropped from the station name for just that reason without success.

 

[swt_passenger]

That's what I mean though: if I was required to travel to Didcot, the station being called Didcot Parkway would make me think I'd also have to think about getting from the station to the town itself (see also Tiverton Parkway, which is used as a railhead not just for Tiverton but also Barnstaple and most of Exmoor).

My rule of thumb would be that in the absence of a separate station called Didcot, or Didcot Central, or some other alternative, then the station would not be of the 'park and ride for incoming passengers' type.

 

[The Planner]

260 spaces feels too small. Do they have access to expand it or have funds to build a multi storey?

It still isnt off the back of a fag packet yet, nor in a GRIP stage, nor has it got confirmed new station funding as I said up thread. They could quite easily decide to build a bigger car park.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

My rule of thumb would be that in the absence of a separate station called Didcot, or Didcot Central, or some other alternative, then the station would not be of the 'park and ride for incoming passengers' type.

Indeed- which is why non-locals would assume that the 'Parkway' suffix suggested it would be quite a distance from the town of Didcot itself: much like Tiverton Parkway. Incidentally, those at the Eastern extremity of Exmoor tend to drive into Taunton rather than to Tiverton and aren't put off by the lack of a suffix on the station name.

 

[backontrack]

I also think that Kidlington Parkway or Kidlington Oxford Parkway would be a better name for the new station at Water Eaton.