The next station is...!

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Hersham

 

[Robinson]

Esher

 

[Buttsy]

Byfleet & New Haw (parly)

Isn't there an hourly Sunday service between the above and Addlestone?

Surbiton

 

[Robinson]

West Byfleet... and the points.
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Isn't there an hourly Sunday service between the above and Addlestone?

I didn't realise that precluded it from being a parly...

The next leg starts at Jewellery Quarter.

 

[Buttsy]

Birmingham Snow Hill

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Birmingham Moor Street

 

[Buttsy]

Bordesley

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Bordesley

Does this only apply in northbound routes ?

 

[Buttsy]

The London Midland timetable states trains stop there in both directions when Birmingham City have a home game. As we're in the footy season, I took the move to be valid.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

London Midland timetable shows trains stopping there when BCFC are at home. As we're in the footy season, I took it to be a valid move.

I knew this had come up in a recent leg, so the above is from posting # 31862 on 26th October...... I was sure that this was not allowed.


ADJUDICATION REQUESTED

 

[Buttsy]

1. How to play

At the start of a game, the OP(at the very beginning or if necessary) or the player who previously ended a leg of the journey, will choose a starting station (unless the player has called an ¡§open floor¡¨, in which any player can choose a starting station) that adheres to the following criteria:

„« It is on NR rails (or Merseyrail)
„« It is not just a terminal station.
„« It is not the same station as the one which ended the previous leg.

Once a starting station has been selected, players can take turns at moving to following stations. The next station on a passenger line that serves the starting station is entirely valid, as is travelling in any direction if there are one or more junctions nearby. If the station is served by a faster service along any passenger line, it is valid provided that you quote the operator and route. A route name should not be specified, but the nearest passenger stations to the start and end of the route should be specified in brackets (These do not need to be submissions to the quiz).

Attention: These routes and services must be valid (i.e on the timetable) at the time of posting.

Footnote on LM timetable: F calls additionally at Bordesley when Birmingham FC play at home

The rule does not state which timetable, hence why I feel strongly it is a valid move.

 

[clagmonster]

2. You cannot use any freight lines, but you can use any line that has a passenger service at least weekly (not every 3rd Monday etc). Fast services are allowed, subject to rule 4.

I think clue 2 has always been used to preclude things like this, as the northbound service from Moor St to Bordesley does not run at least weekly (generally a service will be provided fortnightly at the appropriate times). I do appreciate though that the services not calling do use the same line, so it is up for debate, but that is the usual interpretation.

In any case, to move things on I shall say Small Heath, which is a valid move and allow any discussions to continue.

 

[Buttsy]

I think clue 2 has always been used to preclude things like this, as the northbound service from Moor St to Bordesley does not run at least weekly (generally a service will be provided fortnightly at the appropriate times). I do appreciate though that the services not calling do use the same line, so it is up for debate, but that is the usual interpretation.

In any case, to move things on I shall say Small Heath, which is a valid move and allow any discussions to continue.

Surely, as the northbound service is weekly (Saturdays), that makes it a valid station as it does have a weekly service, therefore meeting the criteria laid out in rule 2 and any less frequent service in the southbound direction, providing it is during the dated period, is applicable.

If you take this a stage further, as Dunrobin Castle, Falls Of Crucahan, Hellifield - Clitheroe and the Okehampton line only have dated services, none of these should be allowed as there is no weekly service, as they do not run every week of the year...

Your comments on this latter point would also be appreciated.
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Tyseley

 

[clagmonster]

Surely, as the northbound service is weekly (Saturdays), that makes it a valid station as it does have a weekly service, therefore meeting the criteria laid out in rule 2 and any less frequent service in the southbound direction, providing it is during the dated period, is applicable.

Birmingham City don't play at home weekly though, on half of Saturdays they will be away. Therefore, it is only every other Saturday that services run.
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Spring Road

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Acocks Green

 

[Buttsy]

Birmingham City don't play at home weekly though, on half of Saturdays they will be away. Therefore, it is only every other Saturday that services run.
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Spring Road

The 13:19 Whitlocks End - Great Malvern SO service is shown in table 71 to stop at Bordesley at 13:37, which, as it is in table 71 and London Midland's timetable, I assume it will stop there every Saturday.
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Oulton

 

[clagmonster]

If you take this a stage further, as Dunrobin Castle, Falls Of Crucahan, Hellifield - Clitheroe and the Okehampton line only have dated services, none of these should be allowed as there is no weekly service, as they do not run every week of the year...

The key point on this is the following clause of rule 1:

Attention: These routes and services must be valid (i.e on the timetable) at the time of posting.

In the case of seasonal stations, they are advertised as being served in footnotes in the timetable, so at the point in time when they are served, they are valid moves in the season as the service is valid in the timetable at the time of posting. During the winter (ie I think for all of your examples now), they would be invalid as in the current timetable there is not scheduled service.
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The 13:19 Whitlocks End - Great Malvern SO service is shown in table 71 to stop at Bordesley at 13:37, which, as it is in table 71 and London Midland's timetable, I assume it will stop there every Saturday

Indeed, northbound it is always valid and scores a bonus.

 

[Buttsy]

Hall Green
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In the case of seasonal stations, they are advertised as being served in footnotes in the timetable, so at the point in time when they are served, they are valid moves in the season as the service is valid in the timetable at the time of posting. During the winter (ie I think for all of your examples now), they would be invalid as in the current timetable there is not scheduled service.

Sat 3 Nov 2012 - Championship
Birmingham v Ipswich 15:00

It comes down to the definition of weekly - my take on it is that weekly means every week, so, taking that to the nth degree, if it doesn't run every week of the year, it is invalid, regardless of the timetable printed in as all my examples do not run for the whole of teh validity of the timetable.

Perhaps a tweak of the definitions is required to avoid such problems in future.

To bed, to sleep, perchance to dream.

 

[clagmonster]

Yardley Wood

I think the trouble is the the dates of games are not stated in the footnote. Thus in the timetable it is not a weekly service, despite it operating on the 3rd and 17th of November.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I sit on high like the Angel of Death from a Dennis Wheatley novel and memory tells me that the last major rules updating on the first posting of this quiz had clarified this matter of current contention.

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Shirley

 

[clagmonster]

Whitlock's End

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Wythall

 

[clagmonster]

Earlswood

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The Lakes

 

[clagmonster]

Wood End

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Danzey

 

[Eagle]

Danzey surely?
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Henley in Arden

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Wootton Wawen

 

[Eagle]

Wilmcote (not to be confused with Wilnecote).

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Stratford-upon-Avon....unsure of where I stand now