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CG27

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Hi, I am currently studying geography at Royal Holloway, University of London and am in the process of collecting research data for my dissertation. I would be really grateful if you could take the time to fill it out, it should take no more than five minutes.

If you want to contact me about my research, you can reach me at zyva771@live.rhul.ac.uk.

Thank you so much for your help!! :D

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/T8NYZWG
 
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Filled in. In my opinion you've picked quite a good range of questions
 

Feathers44

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Interesting. I'm not sure how helpful my answers will be but yo have them all the same. As someone who grew up on the southern extremities of the tube I'd never thought about it's impact in quite this light.
 

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Thank you! All respeoses are greatly appreciated!! Yes it is something that several people have never thought about before, yet it is something that affects almost all 'users' of London.
 

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Filled in, I use the Tube very rarely as a visitor, though as an enthusiast I have perhaps a better understanding of the system than many others who use it with a similar frequency.
 

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Filled in, I use the Tube very rarely as a visitor, though as an enthusiast I have perhaps a better understanding of the system than many others who use it with a similar frequency.

Thank you very much! Yes I had hoped I would find people on here that would have a better understanding of the London Underground! I appreciate your responses! :D
 

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I have just completed the survey. The questions were well thought out. I have an extensive knowledge of the tube system gained from the tube map when I was a child. I was however aware of its geographical shortcomings well before I travelled without adult accompaniment. The tube map works well as a diagram where distortions have little impact on general travel decisions, (yes I know that it is quicker to walk from Queensway to Bayswater than take the tube, similarly White City-Wood Lane, Aldgate-Aldgate East, Regents Park-Great Portland St. etc.). If you envisage the 'tube map' including the Overground lines, there are many more stations close enough where walking would be preferable.
 

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I'm the Brussels GIS (mapping /data) geographer, and I like seeing someone else with an interest in this. Filled it in, hope it helps, and good luck with everything! :)
 

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I have completed the survey - i think it is important to note that the map is designed to allow you to navigate the system NOT the city. It excels at system navigation!
 

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Thank you all for your responses! I appreciate every view that I receive :D
 

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As an ex-Hollowegian (who sometimes wished he'd chosen a geography degree…) I felt compelled to fill in the survey!
 

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I hope your dissertation goes well. Interesting subject.

I work as a GIS Data analysis / cartographer so I'm sure my answers will be different to someone who doesn't do that for a living.

The tube map works fairly well for navigating. However the other Sunday I needed to get to Liverpool Street from Waterloo. The Waterloo and City line is closed on Sundays. :( So I decided to take a train to Oxford Circus and then go along the central line to Liverpool Street. Only one change.

However it would have been quicker to take a train to London Bridge, then one to Bank and then to Liverpool Street. This surprised me.

Had I looked that up on the TfL web site it would have told me that. However I looked at the map and though no way would two changes be quicker, especially as it usually sends you to Tottenham Court Road, when central line trains are stopping at that station on a Sunday.

So the map isn't perfect but it's better than many or all of it's predecessors.
 
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As an ex-Hollowegian (who sometimes wished he'd chosen a geography degree…) I felt compelled to fill in the survey!

What are the chances!! The geography department here is brilliant!! I love it! Thank you for your responses :)
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I hope your dissertation goes well. Interesting subject.

I work as a GIS Data analysis / cartographer so I'm sure my answers will be different to someone who doesn't do that for a living.

The tube map works fairly well for navigating. However the other Sunday I needed to get to Liverpool Street from Waterloo. The Waterloo and City line is closed on Sundays. :( So I decided to take a train to Oxford Circus and then go along the central line to Liverpool Street. Only one change.

However it would have been quicker to take a train to London Bridge, then one to Bank and then to Liverpool Street. This surprised me.

Had I looked that up on the TfL web site it would have told me that. However I looked at the map and though no way would two changes be quicker, especially as it usually sends you to Tottenham Court Road, when central line trains are stopping at that station on a Sunday.

So the map isn't perfect but it's better than many or all of it's predecessors.

Thank you very much! Yes i find the subject very interesting! I really appreciate you taking the time to fill it out, and your experience in the area is something that I am sure will benefit me greatly! Thanks again!
 

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I hope your dissertation goes well. Interesting subject.

I work as a GIS Data analysis / cartographer so I'm sure my answers will be different to someone who doesn't do that for a living.

The tube map works fairly well for navigating. However the other Sunday I needed to get to Liverpool Street from Waterloo. The Waterloo and City line is closed on Sundays. :( So I decided to take a train to Oxford Circus and then go along the central line to Liverpool Street. Only one change.

However it would have been quicker to take a train to London Bridge, then one to Bank and then to Liverpool Street. This surprised me.

Had I looked that up on the TfL web site it would have told me that. However I looked at the map and though no way would two changes be quicker, especially as it usually sends you to Tottenham Court Road, when central line trains are stopping at that station on a Sunday.

So the map isn't perfect but it's better than many or all of it's predecessors.
Should have just taken the 26 between Liverpool Street and Waterloo ;) I will agree though that it is a right PITA travelling between those two stations :(.

I've also filled in the questionnaire :) I think the map is a poor way of navigating London as it doesn't show all railway routes, causing many people to take unsuitable routes because they were not aware of the more suitable routes hidden from the map.
 

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Filled in :)

They were interesting questions. I use the tube regularly for a specific journey (Waterloo to Kings Cross) so am very good at that one. Random other journeys throw me though. For example, I went off route to see the horse sculptures at Vauxhall last week but instead of walking back to Vauxhall station to pick up the direct line to Kings Cross I walked on towards Westminster which was a lot further than I had imagined. And then had to change at Green Park and so went through Kings Cross to make my train north like a woman possessed! All good fun though.
 

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Except the last meaningless one.

Thanks for your opinion. The final question is in fact quite an important one for what I am looking to find out.
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Yss, a good survey. I'd be interested to read your disertation when complete!

Thank you! if you want to send me an email I would be happy to send it on to you when it is all finished! :)
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Filled in :)

They were interesting questions. I use the tube regularly for a specific journey (Waterloo to Kings Cross) so am very good at that one. Random other journeys throw me though. For example, I went off route to see the horse sculptures at Vauxhall last week but instead of walking back to Vauxhall station to pick up the direct line to Kings Cross I walked on towards Westminster which was a lot further than I had imagined. And then had to change at Green Park and so went through Kings Cross to make my train north like a woman possessed! All good fun though.

Thank you! yes many people do not realise how much easier and quicker it would be for them to walk to different stations rather than take the tube. I believe this to be down to our poor knowledge of London as a city, we are so dependant on the tube map as a navigation tool of not just the underground but the city itself.
 

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Should have just taken the 26 between Liverpool Street and Waterloo ;) I will agree though that it is a right PITA travelling between those two stations :(.

I've also filled in the questionnaire :) I think the map is a poor way of navigating London as it doesn't show all railway routes, causing many people to take unsuitable routes because they were not aware of the more suitable routes hidden from the map.
Interesting. I don't believe the journey planner suggests the 26 but I'm remembering what I looked at almost 2 weeks ago. However as you winked, perhaps the 26 isn't advisable...

Coming back I did see that a bus ran to Clapham Junction but that took longer and I'd miss the half hourly fast service to Guildford.

Interestingly back in summer of 1949 the Waterloo and City line was run 7 days a week. I assume it was cut later on due to lack of use. Surely there would be use today on a Sunday, as a service to provide connections to other lines but perhaps even that won't generate enough passengers to maw it viable to run.
 
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Interesting. I don't believe the journey planner suggests the 26 but I'm remembering what I looked at almost 2 weeks ago. However as you winked, perhaps the 26 isn't advisable...

Coming back I did see that a bus ran to Clapham Junction but that took longer and I'd miss the half hourly fast service to Guildford.

Interestingly back in summer of 1949 the Waterloo and City line was run 7 days a week. I assume it was cut later on due to lack of use. Surely there would be use today on a Sunday, as a service to provide connections to other lines but perhaps even that won't generate enough passengers to maw it viable to run.

The buses can't be used with a rail-only ticket (they can only be used on LUL/DLR/NR).

The buses between Liverpool Street and Clapham Junction will take more than an hour, guaranteed. The 26 takes about 20 minutes from Liverpool Street to Waterloo.

The Waterloo & City is very quiet outside the peaks, and IIRC at some point it only ran in the peaks. Indeed a few years ago it didn't run after 1830 on Saturdays.
 

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The buses can't be used with a rail-only ticket (they can only be used on LUL/DLR/NR).

The buses between Liverpool Street and Clapham Junction will take more than an hour, guaranteed. The 26 takes about 20 minutes from Liverpool Street to Waterloo.

The Waterloo & City is very quiet outside the peaks, and IIRC at some point it only ran in the peaks. Indeed a few years ago it didn't run after 1830 on Saturdays.
Shame because it's just so useful for getting to Liverpool Street but that's life.
 

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What an excellent survey !.

It was a pleasure to fill it in.

Good luck with your dissertation.
 

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One thing I forgot to say (oops) is that the Tube map is very TfL centric, thus visitors may not realise that National Rail routes may be quicker than TfL ones!
 

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The 26 takes about 20 minutes from Liverpool Street to Waterloo.

Longer than that in rush hour!

Having said that, the 26 is a very pleasant way of covering the Liverpool Street to Waterloo leg of a commute, if one isn't in too much of a rush. I used to use it when commuting to the OP's university, ironically.
 
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