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I I live ten miles from Worksop, Nottinghamshire. I have seen it often mention on this forum. Can someone explain to me the significance of it. as a Railway Centre and what goes on there. I am aware of the importance of Shirebrook and the presence of W H Davis.
 
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Worksop has historically always been a ‘coal’ railway town, primarily for the plethora of local coal mines in North Nottinghamshire and the power stations along ‘Megawatt Valley’ following the nearby River Trent. In the recent past the yards at Worksop were used by EWS, later DB, for staging coal trains to and from Cottam and West Burton power stations.

The trains arrived with domestic coal from open cast mines in Scotland, as well as imported coal through the likes of Hunterston, Immingham and Hull. Trains would be held at Worksop awaiting a slot at the power station, and the empty trains would often return ‘via’ Worksop depending on their ultimate destination.

All very similar to how Milford operated for the Aire Valley power stations. There was also a wagon maintenance depot for the coal hopper fleet at Worksop. This coal traffic dwindled during the mid 2010s to the point today where there are no rail-bourne flows of power station coal.

Fast forward to the late 2010s into the early 2020s and the derelict DB yards at Worksop were leased by rolling stock hire and maintenance company HNRC (of Barrow Hill fame) to allow them to expand their operations.

A niche in the market was tapped by upgrading the sidings with high security, building a covered maintenance shed, and allowing leasing companies to store either redundant, or not-yet-delivered rolling stock in a secure environment (for a cost, of course…)

As old stock begins to be scrapped and newer stock is beginning to enter traffic, the number of vehicles stored at Worksop has fallen dramatically. HNRC has recently been bought by Austrian infrastructure company SB, and I can’t help but think this is to get hold of the Worksop site as a strategic base in the centre of the country, with good access all around.

Hope that gives you a general idea

TLDR : originally coal, after that it was a handy place to store both old and new trains, and now it’s a little bit of the latter but far less than a year or two ago…

Tom
 

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I I live ten miles from Worksop, Nottinghamshire. I have seen it often mention on this forum. Can someone explain to me the significance of it. as a Railway Centre and what goes on there. I am aware of the importance of Shirebrook and the presence of W H Davis.
Good video linked to here showing the HNRC depot in post #1399, courtesy of @50002Superb

 

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Worksop has historically always been a ‘coal’ railway town, primarily for the plethora of local coal mines in North Nottinghamshire and the power stations along ‘Megawatt Valley’ following the nearby River Trent. In the recent past the yards at Worksop were used by EWS, later DB, for staging coal trains to and from Cottam and West Burton power stations. The trains arrived with domestic coal from open cast mines in Scotland, as well as imported coal through the likes of Hunterston, Immingham and Hull. Trains would be held at Worksop awaiting a slot at the power station, and the empty trains would often return ‘via’ Worksop depending on their ultimate destination. All very similar to how Milford operated for the Aire Valley power stations. There was also a wagon maintenance depot for the coal hopper fleet at Worksop. This coal traffic dwindled during the mid 2010s to the point today where there are no rail-bourne flows of power station coal.

Fast forward to the late 2010s into the early 2020s and the derelict DB yards at Worksop were leased by rolling stock hire and maintenance company HNRC (of Barrow Hill fame) to allow them to expand their operations. A niche in the market was tapped by upgrading the sidings with high security, building a covered maintenance shed, and allowing leasing companies to store either redundant, or not-yet-delivered rolling stock in a secure environment (for a cost, of course…)

As old stock begins to be scrapped and newer stock is beginning to enter traffic, the number of vehicles stored at Worksop has fallen dramatically. HNRC has recently been bought by Austrian infrastructure company SB, and I can’t help but think this is to get hold of the Worksop site as a strategic base in the centre of the country, with good access all around.

Hope that gives you a general idea

TLDR : originally coal, after that it was a handy place to store both old and new trains, and now it’s a little bit of the latter but far less than a year or two ago…

Tom
Thanks for that useful information. It's significance is now clear.
 

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I often see Worksop mentioned in various posts. As someone who lives ten miles away on the Robin Hood line can someone explain the significance of Worksop as a railway location?
My summary:

It's the current terminus of the Robin Hood line from Nottingham, and offers a potential changing point for passengers to/from Sheffield and Retford (for London) travelling from places such as Mansfield, or potential extended Robin Hood line trains could continue through or avoiding Worksop to Sheffield.

The arguments centre on the viability of such theoretical through services (and whether they should skip or reverse at Worksop), the possibilities of improving the current dire connection times at Worksop, the importance or otherwise of Worksop itself, and whether some or all of the Robin Hood line from Mansfield to Worksop is viable at all and should be totally or partly closed.
 

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The other important element at Worksop is that there are several yards used for storage, repair and maintenance of wagons and locos there. DB have a facility there, and ROG have been basing the 93s there (at least initially for testing).

Worksop is quite well placed for freight being on a quieter line and having connections to Lincoln, the ECML at Retford, Doncaster (and an avoiding line to the Humber), the MML via the Robin Hood line, and the Sheffield area.
 

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A former hugely significant concentration centre and wagon repair/traincrew loco depot centred on the coal mining/power station supply industry with excellent regional connections in all directions.

Now the depot is used for storage of new and withdrawn rolling stock and repairs.

Otherwise, very little goes on nowadays.

There is little if any revenue freight through the station itself, and a small amount from the Shireoaks direction via the curve to the Mansfield line that avoids the station.

A few folks have an idea it could be used for regional connections or through services, personally having been involved with the trains into Worksop for years I don't see it. It and the area it serves have well and truly dropped out of significance with the death of coal.
 

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There have been talks of some open access operator running a Sheffield (or further afield) to London via Worksop and Retford using the line between low and high levels at Retford for some time. I’m not sure what the latest is on that, it would be quite useful but there’s already an hourly service to Sheffield then 1tp2h LNER service from Retford an 1tph to Nottingham that all get you to London so I’m not sure it’d be a total game changer.

It saw an upgrade to 2tph between Retford and Sheffield for a few months just before the pandemic, with one being a fast service that connected really nicely to the Robin Hood line services in both directions. Sadly Northern jumped at the chance of getting rid of that as soon as they could so if you live on the Robin Hood line is almost always quicker to drive or even get a regular bus. That all said, a longer wait at Worksop from lunch time onwards isn’t all that bad ….. for we mustn’t forget the best thing by some margin about Worksop station and that is the Mallard pub on the Sheffield bound platform. It’s one of their beer festivals starting today as it happens.
 

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Presumably it's harder to have good connections in all directions now that there's a turnback facility in the platform. When I used the station regularly as a child, I seem to remember terminating trains reversed in a siding east of the station. When did that change? (Or am I misremembering?)
 

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There have been talks of some open access operator running a Sheffield (or further afield) to London via Worksop and Retford using the line between low and high levels at Retford for some time. I’m not sure what the latest is on that, it would be quite useful but there’s already an hourly service to Sheffield then 1tp2h LNER service from Retford an 1tph to Nottingham that all get you to London so I’m not sure it’d be a total game changer.

It saw an upgrade to 2tph between Retford and Sheffield for a few months just before the pandemic, with one being a fast service that connected really nicely to the Robin Hood line services in both directions. Sadly Northern jumped at the chance of getting rid of that as soon as they could so if you live on the Robin Hood line is almost always quicker to drive or even get a regular bus. That all said, a longer wait at Worksop from lunch time onwards isn’t all that bad ….. for we mustn’t forget the best thing by some margin about Worksop station and that is the Mallard pub on the Sheffield bound platform. It’s one of their beer festivals starting today as it happens.
I think ORR rejected Hull Trains bid for running to Sheffield.
 

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Back in the '60s and '70s my relatives used to live in Worksop, so we visited from Sheffield several times a year. I would always spend hours at the station, watching the seemingly endless procession of coal train passing through, all now gone of course.

Passenger services have also been lost, the Sheffield-Cleethorpes service used to run via Retford and Gainsborough and the Sheffield-Lincoln and the Master Cutler Sheffield-London services used to pass through.

Recently Harry Needle was based in the old yard and stored many new London Overground EMUs, and as has been said the class 93s are currently based there. I believe he has retired and the business bought by another operator.

The Government put the skids under the Hull trains service between Sheffield and London last year.
 

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Back in the 60's and 70's my relatives used to live in Worksop, so we visited from Sheffield several times a year. I would always spend hours at the station watching the seemingly endless procession of coal train passing through, all now gone of course.
Passenger services have also been lost, the Sheffield-Cleethorpes service used to run via Retford and Gainsborough and the Sheffield-Lincoln and the Master Cutler Sheffield-London services used to pass through.
Recently Harry Needle was based in the old yard and stored many new London Overground EMU'S, and as has been said the class 93's are currently based there. I believe he has retired and the business bought by another operator.
The Government put the skids under the Hull trains service between Sheffield and London last year.

Summer Saturdays would also see calls in several services to & from Great Yarmouth. All of which were of course routed via the GN&GE joint line.
 

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Aside from anything else mentioned above, there is an excellent pub on the station.
 

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Before covid, I don't know about since, but to my mind Worksop was a very important railway location because of the cafe on platform 2. Bacon or sausage rolls at its best or a full English. I hope it was able to continue after covid shutdown.
 

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Before covid, I don't know about since, but to my mind Worksop was a very important railway location because of the cafe on platform 2. Bacon or sausage rolls at its best or a full English. I hope it was able to continue after covid shutdown.
It closed, sadly.
 

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The other important element at Worksop is that there are several yards used for storage, repair and maintenance of wagons and locos there. DB have a facility there, and ROG have been basing the 93s there (at least initially for testing).
HNRC (now Swietelsky) purchased the Worksop facility in 2019. DB Cargo has zero involvement.
 

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The coal industry, Worksop "The Dukeries" located between the major coalfields of South Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire, Worksop was also the central Works for the important wagon builder W H Davis who relocated to Langwith Junction.
Demographically, the some of the attractive villages surrounding Worksop are homes of the "well-off"
 

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The coal industry, Worksop "The Dukeries" located between the major coalfields of South Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire, Worksop was also the central Works for the important wagon builder W H Davis who relocated to Langwith Junction.
Demographically, the some of the attractive villages surrounding Worksop are homes of the "well-off"
I live in one of the surrounding villages. Certainly not well off.
 

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Before covid, I don't know about since, but to my mind Worksop was a very important railway location because of the cafe on platform 2. Bacon or sausage rolls at its best or a full English. I hope it was able to continue after covid shutdown.
That place was great. Their homemade cakes were top notch.
 
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