The EU "Deal" - poll!

[Gooner18]

I am fed up with the whole ridiculous situation. I hardly had any trust in our PM’s before all this let alone now ! we have made ourselves look weak and almost laughable to the rest of the world, by the way our PM’s have acted over this. No matter what the result all parties should of got behind the PM ( who I don’t like at all) , but credit where credit is due she stood up when others did not, plus who is there realistically who is better than her at then moment , again I guess that shows how weak our parliament is.

They all need booting out and filled with fresh blood , non career, out of touch buffoons!

 

[Teflon Lettuce]

I am fed up with the whole ridiculous situation. I hardly had any trust in our PM’s before all this let alone now ! we have made ourselves look weak and almost laughable to the rest of the world, by the way our PM’s have acted over this. No matter what the result all parties should of got behind the PM ( who I don’t like at all) , but credit where credit is due she stood up when others did not, plus who is there realistically who is better than her at then moment , again I guess that shows how weak our parliament is.

They all need booting out and filled with fresh blood , non career, out of touch buffoons!

you wouldn't be Mr WH Smith from Tooting would you?

 

[Gooner18]

you wouldn't be Mr WH Smith from Tooting would you?

Not the Last time I looked in the mirror lol

 

[Busaholic]

I buy my fish from a little shop run by a woman whose husband was a fisherman based at England's largest fishing port, Newlyn in Cornwall. Now he selects and buys all their fish from Newlyn fish market, a mile from where the shop is. It all comes from 'day boats' i.e. those crewed by locals. They were vociferously in favour of Brexit: now, she informed me two days ago, they'd much rather stay in the EU on current terms than either of the two preposterous alternatives and, she admitted, many in the local fishing community are coming to the same opinion. They feel sold out: I feel it was utterly predictable and, knowing my original opinion, she told me 'you were right'. I take no joy from that, by the way, just disgusted that so many were wilfully misled on the one hand and unnecessarily patronised on the other. Cameron and Osborne have much to answer for, imo, and Cameron's 'comeback' should be confined to the garbage bin, the one next to Tony Blair's.

 

[Teflon Lettuce]

I take no joy from that, by the way, just disgusted that so many were wilfully misled on the one hand and unnecessarily patronised on the other. Cameron and Osborne have much to answer for, imo, and Cameron's 'comeback' should be confined to the garbage bin, the one next to Tony Blair's.

you mean misled that we would ever be allowed to leave? No I wasn't surprised by that... I expected it..

 

[yorksrob]

I'm probably alone on here, but I quite like the idea of a "partnership" with the EU, as mentioned by MrJuncker. Not ideal, but it somehow feels more suitable than membership of an ever closer union. And infinately preferable to being permanently at odds with our friends and neighbours from a no deal.

I think the parties should get behind this and try to make it work.

Norway were never in the EU, and they have a close relationship with it. They are happy. Why can't we be similarly.

 

[Busaholic]

you mean misled that we would ever be allowed to leave? No I wasn't surprised by that... I expected it..

She didn't put it that way, so I can't answer your question.

 

[Teflon Lettuce]

I'm probably alone on here, but I quite like the idea of a "partnership" with the EU, as mentioned by MrJuncker. Not ideal, but it somehow feels more suitable than membership of an ever closer union. And infinately preferable to being permanently at odds with our friends and neighbours from a no deal.

I think the parties should get behind this and try to make it work.

Norway were never in the EU, and they have a close relationship with it. They are happy. Why can't we be similarly.

so you are happy to be tied to rules that you have no say on and have to pay to take advantage of? and of a deal that effectively disenfranches the UK of it's right to totally exit the EU?

 

[yorksrob]

so you are happy to be tied to rules that you have no say on and have to pay to take advantage of? and of a deal that effectively disenfranches the UK of it's right to totally exit the EU?

I listened to the Norway government representative on radio 4 a few months ago, and she said they didn't automatically accept everything the EU said. There was a tribunal to decide what should apply.

She certainly didn't agree with the narrative that the "Norway deal" was the worst of all worlds.

With regard to the money we are paying, is this not for a limited period until the pre-agreed work programmes have been completed ?

If we want to be outside the EU, a couple of years of our thousands of years of history will not be important in the long run.

 

[HH]

The previous Tory period wasn't any better was it? Problem Cameron had though was he's no Maggie!

I count Cameron as part of the current set-up. Largely the same MPs, just a bit of juggling over which pig drinks at which trough.

 

[HH]

And George soros, who made his money by getting sterling out of the exchange rate mechanism, has decided to put money into trying to keep Britain in the EU. Wonder how much money he will make off that.

On a different note, has anybody noticed how much stuff from the EU has started to appear on their Facebook page and twitter account

At least we know about his money. We are still none the wiser over who funded the Leave campaign. We do know, at least, that Russia was behind much of the social network activity.

 

[HH]

you mean misled that we would ever be allowed to leave? No I wasn't surprised by that... I expected it..

Well then, you're even dumber than you seem. I mean, it's like a Turkey voting for Xmas.

 

[HH]

so you are happy to be tied to rules that you have no say on and have to pay to take advantage of? and of a deal that effectively disenfranches the UK of it's right to totally exit the EU?

Yeah it's a crap deal, negotiated on a false premise, voted for by a deluded electorate. It was always going to turn out well. LOL.

 

[Gooner18]

I think we should just stay in now , although I have lost all of the little faith I had left , not sure I will ever vote again.

 

[thejuggler]

Norway is as divided on the EU as we are. Many residents would happily join. However it is not comparable to the UK. Border control was a big factor in the UK voting leave (despite us having it anyway, but not managed effectively).

Norway has to accept free movement of labour, but opportunities are far fewer than the UK due to the very small population of about 6m and limited opportunites for migrants to obtain employment. The free movement of labour was therefore a small price to pay for the benefits they receive for being in the EEA.

 

[yorksrob]

Norway is as divided on the EU as we are. Many residents would happily join. However it is not comparable to the UK. Border control was a big factor in the UK voting leave (despite us having it anyway, but not managed effectively).

Norway has to accept free movement of labour, but opportunities are far fewer than the UK due to the very small population of about 6m and limited opportunites for migrants to obtain employment. The free movement of labour was therefore a small price to pay for the benefits they receive for being in the EEA.

I suppose for us, we've had free movement for donkeys years anyway, so we'd be used to it. It's not what people voted for though. Tricky.

 

[AM9]

I suppose for us, we've had free movement for donkeys years anyway, so we'd be used to it. It's not what people voted for though. Tricky.

Whatever the outcome after next March, I doubt that the flow of admissions into the UK will look or feel any different, just that some of their passports won't be EU issued.

 

[yorksrob]

Whatever the outcome after next March, I doubt that the flow of admissions into the UK will look or feel any different, just that some of their passports won't be EU issued.

Exactly. No reason to rock the boat.

 

[dcbwhaley]

well, I'll be honest.... as soon as I posted the comment I suddenly remembered that Blair had destroyed our faith in our politicians to go to war in our interests.... but then again we should've known he was a liar... he smiled too much

You can easily tell when a politician is lying: his lips move.

 

[AM9]

Exactly. No reason to rock the boat.

In other words, we might just exercise the control that we've always had but the need for immigration will still be there so for those who see immigrants in general inm our country as a problem, there will be no change. Furthermore, the greater distance and disruption that moving to the UK will involve means that they are more likely to stay here even if they subsequently can't or won't work. It's one thing getting a cheap Wizz Air flight back to eastern Europe, but finding the cash for long-haul flights to southern Asia or the far-east will probably prove too difficult for many.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

Of course the one risk that the Remain campaign forgot to mention was that the vote might be pointless because if we vote to leave the EU will not let us leave....

Don't be silly! The is not stopping us leaving. The EU has done everything by the book to allow us to leave, either with the deal that the UK Government and the EU has negotiated, or without a deal.

It's hardly the EU's fault that in 2 years the UK Government has done virtually nothing to prepare the UK for a no-deal Brexit, thus ensuring that such a Brexit would be disastrous in the short term (although it was always a pretty bad option). Nor is it the EU's fault that Northern Ireland has a peace agreement that depends on a frictionless border with the Republic of Ireland, or that the Conservatives are dependent on DUP votes, thereby massively tieing the Government's hands in what they could negotiate.

 

[dcbwhaley]

Don't be silly! The is not stopping us leaving. The EU has done everything by the book to allow us to leave, either with the deal that the UK Government and the EU has negotiated, or without a deal.

It's hardly the EU's fault that in 2 years the UK Government has done virtually nothing to prepare the UK for a no-deal Brexit, thus ensuring that such a Brexit would be disastrous in the short term (although it was always a pretty bad option). Nor is it the EU's fault that Northern Ireland has a peace agreement that depends on a frictionless border with the Republic of Ireland, or that the Conservatives are dependent on DUP votes, thereby massively tieing the Government's hands in what they could negotiate.

Not only is the EU not stopping us leaving, it cannot stop us from leaving. The right to leave is set out in the treaty by which we joined and the EU is nothing if not bound by law. (Unlike the USA where they sacrificed almost a million lives to prevent a few members from ceding)

 

[rdeez]

yes they accepted our Article 50 notification... with threats that the UK will be punished for it's decision... which are now coming to fruition. We want to leave? ok... here's the deal... we'll tie you even closer to the EU than you are now, you'll pay for the privilege, you'll get no say on the rules and oh, by the way, sign this deal and you can't leave until we say you can!

And yet remainers STILL try and paint the EU as some kindly benevolent uncle!

Are you actually shocked that the EU has driven a hard bargain? Their objective in the negotiations was to secure the best deal for the remaining 27 members of the bloc. Ours was to get the best possible deal for us. That's how negotiations work.

 

[HH]

Are you actually shocked that the EU has driven a hard bargain? Their objective in the negotiations was to secure the best deal for the remaining 27 members of the bloc. Ours was to get the best possible deal for us. That's how negotiations work.

Yes; what's shocking is how incompetent our negotiators, largely leading Brexit figureheads, have been in securing a good deal.

Now you might think that says something about their claims about post-Brexit Britain being better off. You might think that, but I couldn't possibly comment.

 

[nidave]

If T. May's deal fails in the first reading in parliament and gets resubmitted for a 2nd reading.. Why do Westminster get a chance to have another vote yes the people are denied an opportunity to have another say.

 

[EM2]

From Robert Peston on Twitter:
'Just when Theresa May thought it could not get worse, Donald Trump says "sounds like a great deal for the EU...Right now as the deal stands they [UK] may not be able to trade with the US. I don't think they want that at all, that would be a very big negative for the deal"'

 

[Esker-pades]

From Robert Peston on Twitter:
'Just when Theresa May thought it could not get worse, Donald Trump says "sounds like a great deal for the EU...Right now as the deal stands they [UK] may not be able to trade with the US. I don't think they want that at all, that would be a very big negative for the deal"'

I actually think that's a good thing. I don't think a free trade deal with the US would be good for the health service. Or food standards. Or farmers.

 

[nlogax]

From Robert Peston on Twitter:
'Just when Theresa May thought it could not get worse, Donald Trump says "sounds like a great deal for the EU...Right now as the deal stands they [UK] may not be able to trade with the US. I don't think they want that at all, that would be a very big negative for the deal"'

Really, who didn't see this coming? If it wasn't for the fact that the UK has run out of bullets *AND* feet I'd laugh myself stupid.

 

[mmh]

I actually think that's a good thing. I don't think a free trade deal with the US would be good for the health service. Or food standards. Or farmers.

US food regulation is far more stringent than in the UK. It's a myth that they have lower standards, or that anything goes there. Fake news, perhaps.

 

[nlogax]

US food regulation is far more stringent than in the UK. It's a myth that they have lower standards, or that anything goes there. Fake news, perhaps.

Fancy backing that up with some proof? I'd love to see it.