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Not this one, obviously, but a lot of the forums I used to love have either closed completely, or become shadows of their former selves.

How has RailForums escaped this fate? Which forums are you mourning?
 
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It's still going, but the Concorde forum gets very little use these days - not through any lack of interest in the subject but a horrendous advertising system combined with the unfortunate loss of a number of key members.

Another forum, the QE2 forum, is growing and is very busy, like this one is.

What frequently kills a forum off is if they change from a traditional layout like this one ( with very easy to scan category indexes and thread titles within each category and the threads themselves are fully chronological ) and go into an untidy cluttered mess that tries to imitate Facecrook or Reddit, which are almost impenetrable and very illogically laid out - searching for anything on those is impossible. LinkedIn is getting worse by the day for the same reason and it's not helped by a lot of members seemingly forgetting that it's supposed to be a professional and work orientated site...
 

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LFGSS, a cycling forum, closed because of the Online Safety Act. I think it was a bit over-cautious in their case but I also understand why people might not want the risk.

Bike Radar shut down their forums due to costs. I assume this forum is reasonably well covered by a mixture of donations and sales through the forum ticketing site.

Anecdotally I believe people are moving to short form content. BBC news articles are a single sentence to an entire paragraph. TikTok, YouTube Shorts, Facebook/IG Reels etc are creeping up on long form video content. Tweets were limited in character length, hashtags over post bodies, etc. Forums aren't really designed for this and don't attract those people.
 

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Unfortunately it does seem people prefer or are drawn to Reddit, Discord or even Facebook groups. The traditional forum format seems to be declining fast. Reddit in particular does tend to dominate searches. I do wonder if AI searching may play a role, you can receive an answer to your question without visiting forums, asking a question and waiting for responses.

Several horticulture forums I used to go to are still open but now receive almost zero posts where they used to be quite busy. A space science and astronomy tech forum I used to visit has closed due to declining posts and costs, although costs and will from the organiser was probably the biggest factor.
 

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Unfortunately it does seem people prefer or are drawn to Reddit, Discord or even Facebook groups. The traditional forum format seems to be declining fast. Reddit in particular does tend to dominate searches. I do wonder if AI searching may play a role, you can receive an answer to your question without visiting forums, asking a question and waiting for responses.

Several horticulture forums I used to go to are still open but now receive almost zero posts where they used to be quite busy. A space science and astronomy tech forum I used to visit has closed due to declining posts and costs, although costs and will from the organiser was probably the biggest factor.
For searches, the larger sites will almost always dominate.

Reddit has a subreddit/forum for practically everything. This results in a very high number of inbound links to Reddit posts, and of course high traffic. In turn Google sees this as a popular and relevant website and it gets higher search result positions.

This forum actually does quite well, I suspect Tim part because it's not just trains. I'm sure Yorkie was saying we have one of the largest, if not the largest, bus forums, despite being called RailForums. All the engagement there will help us in search results.

Google results these days are personalised but even Incognito browsing I find these forums pop up higher than Reddit for a lot of rail questions. There's a lot of high quality content here which just isn't there on /r/uktrains on Reddit, and I don't feel Reddit really encourages detailed discussions in the same ways traditional forums do. Top level comments getting upvotes though, absolutely, and this often means short, snappy, sound bite style comments get made the top comments.
 

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I do wonder if AI searching may play a role, you can receive an answer to your question without visiting forums, asking a question and waiting for responses.
That also reduces the visitors to those forums and hence potentially reduces their advertising revenue.

Something else that can kill off a forum is a lack of effective moderation - without it, discussions at best can wander way off topic, or worse, get dominated by a few posters having a personal shouting match which just drives everyone else away.
 

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Although I'm only a millennial, my main "old man rant" is how Discord has usurped so much of the formerly open internet. Forums and IRC chat rooms replaced by this proprietary system, controlled by a single company who obviously wants to make money from doing so and requires their bloated software to use it. It also means the content isn't indexed by search engines or more crucially by sites like the Internet Archive.

Reddit has its own problems but at least it's available to anyone with a web browser.

LFGSS, a cycling forum, closed because of the Online Safety Act. I think it was a bit over-cautious in their case but I also understand why people might not want the risk.
It was going to close, but then a number of the members acquired it and are running it in a way where they think they can comply with the legislation.

The Hamster Forum (yes) did however close and apparently has since reopened.
 

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LFGSS, a cycling forum, closed because of the Online Safety Act. I think it was a bit over-cautious in their case but I also understand why people might not want the risk.

Wow, I'd not picked up on that one. Used to frequent there regularly in the 00's (when I was a 20-something cycling commuter).
 
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The Bristol Railway Archive forum appears to have closed. It was quite good for Bristol related information and discussion. I think it may still have a Facebook presence but I don’t do FB.
 

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Some forums on public transport are not helped by some members thinking they run it & almost bully newer members forcing them off or forcing others off through trolling elsewhere.
 

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I used to enjoy the Tyne & Wear Transport MSN group for all things Tyne & Wear Metro. Was a great resource, with message boards and all manner of other content. The site migrated over to Multiply when MSN Groups closed down, but it was never the same and also closed down not long after.
 

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LFGSS, a cycling forum, closed because of the Online Safety Act. I think it was a bit over-cautious in their case but I also understand why people might not want the risk.

Bike Radar shut down their forums due to costs. I assume this forum is reasonably well covered by a mixture of donations and sales through the forum ticketing site.

Bike Radar and LFGSS are the two that sprung to mind for me, too.

There are still some thriving - The DIBB, a Disney World travel forum is well established and still growing; PPRuNE and its stablemate, FlyerTalk seem to be doing well, too.

Moderation is important, and I wonder if user age plays a part, too.
 

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For searches, the larger sites will almost always dominate.

Reddit has a subreddit/forum for practically everything. This results in a very high number of inbound links to Reddit posts, and of course high traffic. In turn Google sees this as a popular and relevant website and it gets higher search result positions.

This forum actually does quite well, I suspect Tim part because it's not just trains. I'm sure Yorkie was saying we have one of the largest, if not the largest, bus forums, despite being called RailForums. All the engagement there will help us in search results.

Google results these days are personalised but even Incognito browsing I find these forums pop up higher than Reddit for a lot of rail questions. There's a lot of high quality content here which just isn't there on /r/uktrains on Reddit, and I don't feel Reddit really encourages detailed discussions in the same ways traditional forums do. Top level comments getting upvotes though, absolutely, and this often means short, snappy, sound bite style comments get made the top comments.
A lot of subreddits are very picture and / or meme heavy. While this can be good in some circumstances, it does mean actual factual content can be limited. The uktrains subreddit is one of the subreddits that tends to be quite picture heavy whereas this forum was much much better for actual factual information about the railways.
 

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There's one rather morbid forum I also use called the DeathList forum, where a committee predicts 50 famous people who might die in a given year, with an annual list and attached forum where most of the discussion is about the health and behaviour of famous people, as well as various prediction games/pools.

The list publishing dates back to the late 80s, before the WWW existed, and the forum itself dates back to the early 00s. It's definitely still active, and certain events are capable of crashing the site (like the build-up to the Queen's death).

The forum does have moderation to prevent anything really inappropriate being posted, however language rules tend to be relaxed, as swearing in posts is not uncommon.
 

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Although I'm only a millennial, my main "old man rant" is how Discord has usurped so much of the formerly open internet. Forums and IRC chat rooms replaced by this proprietary system, controlled by a single company who obviously wants to make money from doing so and requires their bloated software to use it. It also means the content isn't indexed by search engines or more crucially by sites like the Internet Archive.

Reddit has its own problems but at least it's available to anyone with a web browser.
IRC and forums were dying a long time before Discord came along. Mainstream IRC users went to the likes of MSN Messenger and Skype in the 2000s, Xfire and Steam were always more popular for gamers, and forums gradually became replaced by social media groups and subreddits. Even when I still used IRC regularly in the years up to Discord releasing, it was considered that only very well-established or technical communities were still on there.

I don't like the dominance Discord has, but it didn't usurp IRC and forums so much as it continued a trend that had been going on for years at this point.
 

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The Bristol Railway Archive forum appears to have closed. It was quite good for Bristol related information and discussion. I think it may still have a Facebook presence but I don’t do FB.
The Bristol railway archive is a great loss, the forum was never that busy.
 

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Pistonheads is a shadow of its former self.

Straight Dope Message Board was amazing in the early 00s. The stackexchange founder came over to it and proposed his new idea and was shot down. Bet they regret that.

Advanced Driving UK I enjoyed but it didn't last long.

Political Betting - which has an approx 50% representation here lol - is also on a very slow decline.

RailUKforums has genuinely massively outperformed and the only explanation is a combination of userbase (people into railways tend to be of a similar type to people into forums) and very well thought out moderation.

I'm quite enjoying mumsnet at the moment. It's interesting to get their perspective on things. But I've no idea "how they're doing".
 

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Straight Dope Message Board was amazing in the early 00s. The stackexchange founder came over to it and proposed his new idea and was shot down. Bet they regret that.
Some topic-drifting (apologies) -- I am for sure (relevant -- and as I often mention on these Forums) an extremely computer-incompetent computer-user (the second sentence above, could be in the Quechua language of the Andes for all that it conveys to me).

At all events: for a good many years in the past, I took great pleasure in the Straight Dope Message Board -- fascinatingly covering "everything on Earth and elsewhere", with many witty, interesting, and often engaging participants. I loved participating. Maybe as per above, less good now -- I don't know. Things fell out, though -- to the best of my understanding, not through any wrongdoing of mine -- that functionally, I could no longer take active part. I tried several times over -- new e-mail outfit, new posting-name -- to renew participation; but somehow, time after time: it didn't work. Straight Dope would seem to have the rule, that when one signs on as a new member (no suspectable trace of any former membership); one must furnish an e-mail address: to which the board sends an e-mail, to which the aspiring member must respond -- time after time I tried this: e-mail from board, didn't come.

I've ended up suspecting -- seriously -- divine intervention: enough message-board stuff already, diverting me from more urgent matters. I found "Straight Dope" such wonderful fun, that just reading it passively without being able to take part, would be torture for me.
 

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Merseyside Dennis Dart forum (mostly focused on the Merseyside & North West bus scene) used to very busy 15 years ago regular new posts, its a shadow of its former self now, with only a few posts a day, sometimes goes days without any new posts.
 

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At the time of posting there are nearly 3,000 readers of this forum, the overwhelming majority being guests. Unless I've not been paying attention until now, I don't recall the forum seeing this much activity except in the immediate aftermath of a railway accident. What's going on?
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It is not just forums: I understand that Austrian Railways Group is in the process of dissolving. If I have interpreted one comment correctly it is because they are unable to find enough members to fill the officers positions.
 

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At the time of posting there are nearly 3,000 readers of this forum, the overwhelming majority being guests. Unless I've not been paying attention until now, I don't recall the forum seeing this much activity except in the immediate aftermath of a railway accident. What's going on?
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My guess would be bots make up a significant percentage of those, but I hope I’m wrong.
 

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At the time of posting there are nearly 3,000 readers of this forum, the overwhelming majority being guests. Unless I've not been paying attention until now, I don't recall the forum seeing this much activity except in the immediate aftermath of a railway accident. What's going on?
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Maybe we're on Reddit for something, that's the kind of thing that would cause it.
 

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The abundance of short-form content have lowered attention spans and patience so low that some people won't interact with something if it's not a instant messaging platform
 

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I still miss East Coast Chat! That folded sometime around 2010!

A plethora of Photo-based Facebook groups now provide a lot of "news" discussion. As posters have said, this is a rather shallow alternative, more reactions than discussions.
 

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I still miss East Coast Chat! That folded sometime around 2010!

A plethora of Photo-based Facebook groups now provide a lot of "news" discussion. As posters have said, this is a rather shallow alternative, more reactions than discussions.
This is the main thing keeping me from dumping FB for now, along with some other enthusiast pages on non-railway matters. The next best thing is certain Flickr pages, but they're not as coordinated.
 

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I realise this thread has been bumped this evening from some time ago, but in regards to the original question. I guess one thing this forum has is an attraction to multiple groups rather than specific individuals? What I mean by this is past forums such as The Transport Forum (something like billz1064.proboards.com for those who may remember 'those days'), which was the main rail forum in the early 2000s, primarily catered for enthusiasts and at the time there could be bouts of infighting and the like with little done to break it up (or sometimes deemed done with bias). When 'RailUK' (as was) was launched in the mid-2000s, it became a sort of fresher place to be, set up by likeminded people who wanted out of that environment, with very regular forum meets making it all the more sociable. There were periods I was in London seemingly most weekends, plus longer trips, on forums! That better atmosphere may have helped it attract more people discovering forums at the time and expand. There were still disagreements between members or between members and forum staff, with some attempts at alternatives even being launched (anyone remember 'The Messroom'?), but I think this forum had become so established by then that they were never going to realistically work long term. Moderation also being active meant public arguments don't tend to get left to completely derail topics and see people trying to have discussions give up.

There was a period where there were several train simulation forums which was not going to be sustainable long term and as this place grew and more and more people became members, rather than post the same thing on multiple forums I guess people just got used to what was fast becoming a one stop shop for all their transport discussion needs. Similar with bus forums that have come and gone (or now a shadow of their former selves), which may be helped by the fact there is a good crossover between enthusiasts of both buses and trains. Why do a tour of lots of forums when one single place caters for all your interests?

Once RailChat closed, which was a forum predominantly aimed at/used by staff, I guess this was a logical place for any who weren't already members to turn to. I seem to recall there was a signal box forum that died a death too. Therefore you now had enthusiasts of multiple transport modes, players of simulators, and railway staff all now gravitating towards a single one stop shop, rather than having to visit multiple sites for different specific interests that were ultimately all linked under one umbrella topic.

I had a bit of a break from forums for a few years but when I returned here it had expanded its reach even further with a more active recruitment section, which attracts non-enthusiasts who are seeking advice on a potential new career, and the Fares section with its Dispute subforum, again attracting non-enthusiasts, so yet another audience stream that keeps the forum active beyond just enthusiasts and staff. As the forum has grown to the size it is, I wouldn't be surprised if other non-enthusiasts such as journalists and the like are using it as well.

So part of its success might be that it has successfully attracted users that don't just want to talk about one particular aspect of transport (ie spotting, simulators, modelling, working etc), but all aspects under a single roof.

Or these are just my thoughts anyway!
 
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I realise this thread has been bumped this evening from some time ago, but in regards to the original question. I guess one thing this forum has is an attraction to multiple groups rather than specific individuals? What I mean by this is past forums such as The Transport Forum (something like billz1064.proboards.com for those who may remember 'those days'), which was the main rail forum in the early 2000s, primarily catered for enthusiasts and at the time there could be bouts of infighting and the like with little done to break it up (or sometimes deemed done with bias). When 'RailUK' (as was) was launched in the mid-2000s, it became a sort of fresher place to be, set up by likeminded people who wanted out of that environment, with very regular forum meets making it all the more sociable. There were periods I was in London seemingly most weekends, plus longer trips, on forums! That better atmosphere may have helped it attract more people discovering forums at the time and expand. There were still disagreements between members or between members and forum staff, with some attempts at alternatives even being launched (anyone remember 'The Messroom'?), but I think this forum had become so established by then that they were never going to realistically work long term. Moderation also being active meant public arguments don't tend to get left to completely derail topics and see people trying to have discussions give up..

There was a period where there were several train simulation forums which was not going to be sustainable long term and as this place grew and more and more people became members, rather than post the same thing on multiple forums I guess people just got used to what was fast becoming a one stop shop for all their transport discussion needs. Similar with bus forums that have come and gone (or now a shadow of their former selves), which may be helped by the fact there is a good crossover between enthusiasts of both buses and trains. Why do a tour of lots of forums when one single place caters for all your interests?

Once RailChat closed, which was a forum predominantly aimed at/used by staff, I guess this was a logical place for any who weren't already members to turn to. I seem to recall there was a signal box forum that died a death too. Therefore you now had enthusiasts of multiple transport modes, players of simulators, and railway staff all now gravitating towards a single one stop shop, rather than having to visit multiple sites for different specific interests that were ultimately all linked under one umbrella topic.

I had a bit of a break from forums for a few years but when I returned here it had expanded its reach even further with a more active recruitment section, which attracts non-enthusiasts who are seeking advice on a potential new career, and the Fares section with its Dispute subforum, again attracting non-enthusiasts, so yet another audience stream that keeps the forum active beyond just enthusiasts and staff. As the forum has grown to the size it is, I wouldn't be surprised if other non-enthusiasts such as journalists and the like are using it as well.

So part of its success might be that it has successfully attracted users that don't just want to talk about one particular aspect of transport (ie spotting, simulators, modelling, working etc), but all aspects under a single roof.

Or these are just my thoughts anyway!
I also think that this forum works well is because the threads are very friendly - there are no bitter arguments, trolling etc. Yes there are disagreements, but the cases are well argued and friendly. This is probably down to the moderators doing a great job, but also the posters being considerate.
 
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