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Those who live along the south coast maybe aware of the Coastliner bus service which runs between Brighton and Southsea (Portsmouth) on route 700, however it takes around 4 hours to do the journey end to end. Would be a lot quicker to get the train or even drive. So therefore I ask has anyone done this journey before and what was it like? :)

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Those who live along the south coast maybe aware of the Coastliner bus service which runs between Brighton and Southsea (Portsmouth) on route 700, however it takes well over 4 hours to do the journey end to end. Would be a lot quicker to get the train or even drive. So therefore I ask has anyone done this journey before and what was it like? :)

We used it from Bognor Regis to Brighton when were last stayed there, just to see what the trip looked like from the upstairs front seat of the towns we passed through. Whilst by no means the full trip, it was well over two hours.

Benefit to us....Used our Senior Citizen bus passes so did the journey at no cost.
 

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I would like to, but whenever the chance has come along something has always interfered.

It amazes me that a route of its length can run every 10 minutes, much less using deckers! OK, so that is only true in the Brighton conurbation, but that's still a good two hours' worth, and otherwise - for those who don't know - it's still not exactly a rare service at a minimum of 2bph across the rest of the route, and for some of it 4bph. I had a go at trying to calculate its PVR at 0400 yesterday (what can I say? I was bored) and came to the answer of 40 :shock:
 

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I had a go at trying to calculate its PVR at 0400 yesterday (what can I say? I was bored) and came to the answer of 40 :shock:
Sorry Mr Ivo, could you elaborate on the term "PVR" please? :)
 

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Peak Vehicle Requirement. Its works for trains as well. Its basically how you work out how many buses/trains etc a timetable needs. So a branch line shuttle with an hourly service and a journey time of 22 minutes will have a PVR of 1 :)
 

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Peak Vehicle Requirement. Its works for trains as well. Its basically how you work out how many buses/trains etc a timetable needs. So a branch line shuttle with an hourly service and a journey time of 22 minutes will have a PVR of 1 :)
Cheers, I can see why 40 is a bit shocking!
 

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My wife and I did it back in 1998, as we were on a budget and fancied a break, so we decided to go camping on the Isle of Wight but not taking the car.
We went from Brighton to the hovercraft terminus at Southsea (so not quite end-to-end) and I'm pretty sure it wasn't four hours. But then again, I napped for quite a bit of it :D
 

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My daughter and I did it a few years ago and it was wonderful. We had walked from Portsmouth to Brighton and decided to get the bus back! Well sort off

We walk the coast a day at a time, picking up where we stopped the previous time, so it took several years to do the trip west to east. Four hours to get back was nothing!

If you want to do it properly, you need to start at one end and be sure to get the front seats upstairs for the best views. The bit coming down from Beachy Head past Cuckmere Haven is particularly lovely
 

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My daughter and I did it a few years ago and it was wonderful. We had walked from Portsmouth to Brighton and decided to get the bus back! Well sort off

We walk the coast a day at a time, picking up where we stopped the previous time, so it took several years to do the trip west to east. Four hours to get back was nothing!

If you want to do it properly, you need to start at one end and be sure to get the front seats upstairs for the best views. The bit coming down from Beachy Head past Cuckmere Haven is particularly lovely

I would definitely like to do it some time just for the experience, but i'd probably end up falling asleep along the way :lol:
 
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. We had walked from Portsmouth to Brighton and decided to get the bus back!

If you want to do it properly, you need to start at one end and be sure to get the front seats upstairs for the best views. The bit coming down from Beachy Head past Cuckmere Haven is particularly lovely

But Beachy Head is nowhere near where route 700 goes ?!:?
 

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I used to travel on the route in my student days on the south coast, in the last years of the ubiquitous Stagecoach Alexander Olympian. Once away from the built up area of Portsmouth there's some good fast running as far as Havant, then some nice open country interspersed with villages as far as Chi and again to Bognor. After that... it gets a bit suburban and ploddy. For a long time. If you're hoping to see some coastline vistas you're out of luck until you reach Worthing! Would agree with above posters about the importance of finding an upstairs seat to make the best of the view. The last I knew of the route, it was the Brighton-Arundel runs that get favoured for single decks most, along with some (but by no means all) of the Chichester-Brighton via Yaptons. The Portsmouth journeys were almost all double deck.

It's a nice trip to do from time to time, but eventually the novelty of a 4 hour bus journey vs. the West Coastway, for the sake of saving the cost of a coffee, wore away. I think the introduction of nationwide free bus travel for pensioners has seen a substantial increase in the route's ridership, unsurprising given the part of the country it is in, and that has slowed things down a fair old bit. Each timetable revision has seen a bit more time added to the through run.. I'm sure the Southsea-Brighton through run used to be just shy of four hours, now it is 4h20m.

I couldn't believe the PVR figure of 40 at first sight so I went and did some guesswork with the timetable. This is what I concluded looking at the Mon-Fri off peak:

4h20m each way x2bph on the Pompey-Brightons = 18 buses with a 10 min layover at each end.
3h02m each way x2bph for the Chichester-Brighton via Yapton = 13 buses, giving a 13 minute layover at each end.
2h22m each way x2bph for the Arundel-Brightons = 10 buses, allowing for an 8 minute layover at each end.

So that's 41 buses, presuming the shortest realistic layover times.. if the layovers are any longer to factor in delays accrued on a 51 mile route, that figure will be even higher. Blimey.

If I were to do it again, I think the 1755 ex-Brighton on a sunny summer's evening would be one to take - the last through trip to Portsmouth, getting into Southsea at 2123: 3 and a half hours of spirited running on a fairy lightly loaded vehicle. This was the bus of choice on my way home from staying with friends in Brighton, and howling back down the A27 towards Portsmouth at sunset with the Spinnaker on the horizon is an especially fond memory of mine.
 
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I once went from Littlehampton to Haven't and them immediately jumped on the next one to Brighton, the reason being that I had a Hampshire bus pass and could only use it for free travel going to or from Hampshire as ENCTS was yet to be fully implemented. Wouldn't really want to do it again.
 

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But Beachy Head is nowhere near where route 700 goes ?!:?

You're quite right! Apologies - I blame the flu for my woolly head!

Over the years we have walked, trained and bussed the whole south coast and it has sort of melded into one. I think the 700 stands out for us becuase it runs so close to the coast all the way so a lot of it was familiar.
 

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i done this way back in the 1960s southdown days . thing it was a guy going to southsea, and a PD3 on the return. by the time we got there it was to come back.
 

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i done this way back in the 1960s southdown days . thing it was a guy going to southsea, and a PD3 on the return. by the time we got there it was to come back.
That's more than enough time in Portsmouth!
 

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PVR can't be quite as high as 40 as there are only 20 Scania E400s and 22 ADL E300s branded for the route.
Bear in mind also that the route is shared between Chichester, Portsmouth and Worthing depots.
 

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The bit coming down from Beachy Head past Cuckmere Haven is particularly lovely

Just to clarify, given this bit was queried:

This stretch is part of Brighton & Hove's Coaster 12 route. It is marketed as "one of the most scenic bus routes in all of England". However, buses do not normally serve Beachy Head; the Sunday-only 13X (which is affiliated with the 12) goes there instead.
 

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Just to clarify, given this bit was queried:

This stretch is part of Brighton & Hove's Coaster 12 route. It is marketed as "one of the most scenic bus routes in all of England". However, buses do not normally serve Beachy Head; the Sunday-only 13X (which is affiliated with the 12) goes there instead.

I'll just point out the the X13 is summer only and SuO/ BHO for the rest of the year, making places like Burling Gap difficult to get to without walking like I did, but then I did start off in Winchester s ito wasn't really an issue for me. ;)
 

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Just to clarify, given this bit was queried:

This stretch is part of Brighton & Hove's Coaster 12 route. It is marketed as "one of the most scenic bus routes in all of England". However, buses do not normally serve Beachy Head; the Sunday-only 13X (which is affiliated with the 12) goes there instead.

12-The main Coaster 12 route

12A-The Coaster 12A route also serves Chyngton Estate in Seaford

12X-The Coaster 12X route gives a quicker peak time route into Brighton operating with Limited Stops in the mornings and home again in the afternoons

13X-The Tourist Trail 13X route has a more scenic route via Birling Gap and Beachy Head operating with Limited Stops on Sundays and Public Holidays only (as has already been mentioned).
 

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PVR can't be quite as high as 40 as there are only 20 Scania E400s and 22 ADL E300s branded for the route.
Bear in mind also that the route is shared between Chichester, Portsmouth and Worthing depots.

In a way you've answered your own question, when you add the 20 E400s with 22 E300s that's 42 branded vehicles for the route, so possible the PVR is 40. Also when you look at the journey times, even the short journeys to Arundel take 2+ hours, & frequency is every 10 minutes over the Littlehampton-Brighton section.
 

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Just to add, it is quite possible to find unbranded vehicles on the route, so full allocation + 2 branded spare + general spare allocations is probably about right.

I haven't used the route for quite some time, but I would agree with previous posters that the Portsmouth - Chi - Bognor bit is the better end, after that it gets rather dull in places. The mammoth journey time has rather a lot to do with the service replacing local routes in a few places I understand. Once upon a time it was Limited Stop, now it stops everywhere! I preferred the 'old days' of Stripey Olympians and B10Ms, not quite so keen on the plastic low floor stuff. But nevertheless, it's well worth a trip.
 

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Each timetable revision has seen a bit more time added to the through run.. I'm sure the Southsea-Brighton through run used to be just shy of four hours, now it is 4h20m.

A timetable in my possession dating back to 2005 indicated a typical end-to-end journey time of 3 hours 45 minutes during off-peak periods.
 

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PVR Calculations (times based on Brighton end)...

• Littlehampton: 112 from BTN; 103 to BTN; 5 interval between to/from = 220
• Arundel and Chichester terminators appear to run one circuit
• Arundel: 136 from BTN; 132 to BTN; 2 layover = 270
• Chichester: 170 from BTN; 166 from BTN; 4 layover = 340
• Total for both (w/ 2x 10 layover at BTN) = 630; @ two runs per vehicle PVR = 21
• Southsea: 257 from BTN; 254 to BTN; 19 layover = 530
• Total for Southsea (w/ 10 layover at BTN) = 540; PVR = 18

I think I worked it out as needing 24 for BTN to Littlehampton and back before, but only got 23 this time, explaining the marginally different result. So on this basis the PVR is 39 (not 40). Still substantial though...
 

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Perhaps somebody should email the nice people at Stagecoach and ask them!
 

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Right folks - I am now back in the land of the living post flu and would like to apologise for my stupid post earlier. I have a personal policy of never posting on forums or answering emails after 8pm because I am very much a morning person and don't think straight in the evening. I obviously need to extend that policy to times when I am ill.

Thank you for all the replies straightening things out and I now remember all the buses along the coast in the right order - I think.

As a simple train and bus enthusiast I find the knowledge on this forum about the inner workings of our transport network amazing. All I knew about the 700 was that as we were walking along, one would pass us at frequent intervals so we knew there were a fair number of buses allocated to the route. It is interesting to have a glimpse at how someone somewhere is working it all out and making sure they all arrive.

Anyway, here's to our long distance bus routes and the interest they bring us.
 

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Interesting to note (IMHO) that although this is a very large PVR (some town networks have much smaller PVRs) I know of a London bus route with a PVR of 73-75 (though this is to drop by about 17 next month).
 

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Well that is London, so it's not really a fair comparison
 

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What is the highest PVR out there. I'm guessing a London one. Outside of London the Rainbow 5 / indigo must be up there?

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Well Coastliner already has indigo beat :)

I thinks its only got something like 22 branded vehicles these days since some are now spares as the PVR went down when Loughborough was transferred to Skylink
 
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