It did save a lot of branch lines with its lower costs of operation that otherwise would have had the lines been axed and converted to roads or cycle paths.How is “Pacer” on the list?! Never a classic and should be about as far away from this list as anything would ever be.
Actually, the Sprinter was cheaper to operate....It did save a lot of branch lines with its lower costs of operation that otherwise would have had the lines been axed and converted to roads or cycle paths.
Ah that old "they saved branch lines" chestnut. How many were threatened at that time (Serpell had been seen off)? It also rather ignores that the bulk of the Pacer's use was squeeling and grinding around Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds and Newcastle. Best not mention the real rural use based in Devon and Cornwall and that they were an abject failure and sent elsewhere in disgrace.It did save a lot of branch lines with its lower costs of operation that otherwise would have had the lines been axed and converted to roads or cycle paths.
Ah that old "they saved branch lines" chestnut. How many were threatened at that time (Serpell had been seen off)? It also rather ignores that the bulk of the Pacer's use was squeeling and grinding around Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds and Newcastle. Best not mention the real rural use based in Devon and Cornwall and that they were an abject failure and sent elsewhere in disgrace.
That's before the total re-engineering that was needed to make them even fit for service after just a few years: brakes, doors, engines and transmissions all needed replacement on them.
Agreed!I’m not even sure how any of this even fits under the design category either!
If we’re talking about design. They don’t particularly have any, a Leyland National on rails.
Now if the contest was ugliest design...I’m not even sure how any of this even fits under the design category either!
If we’re talking about design. They don’t particularly have any, a Leyland National on rails.
It’s a bit of fun. Calm down.

Compared to the life expired DMUs that operated on Britain's railways, the Pacer was a simple yet modern DMU so yes it should be classed as a classic design but not in the same way that you can say the LNER A4 design such as Mallard is a all time classic design.Ah that old "they saved branch lines" chestnut. How many were threatened at that time (Serpell had been seen off)? It also rather ignores that the bulk of the Pacer's use was squeeling and grinding around Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds and Newcastle. Best not mention the real rural use based in Devon and Cornwall and that they were an abject failure and sent elsewhere in disgrace.
That's before the total re-engineering that was needed to make them even fit for service after just a few years: brakes, doors, engines and transmissions all needed replacement on them.
Pretty much my thoughts. Best is very subjective and is all a matter of opinion. Should it really read favourite instead of best?No sure what the intent is here as 'best' means anything and nothing, - unless it's just another poll designed to collect votes for HSTs before they are all turned into razor blades.
Other than the title of the thread, there's nothing to read. Totally meaningless results as well.Pretty much my thoughts. Best is very subjective and is all a matter of opinion. Should it really read favourite instead of best?
Someone correct me I'm wrong, but I think it's all about iconic trains. A train you just look at and can appreciate what it stood for. Like HST and high speed trains, as an easy example.Are we talking aesthetic, mechanical or functional design? Something that looks good or something that's reliable/a big step forward mechanically or something that functions well for the users?